[分享] 換木棒對高中棒球有利嗎?

作者: WillWaiting (Creep)   2015-12-16 13:45:32
USA today/High scholl sports
Would switching to wood bats benefit high school baseball?
By Jake Furr, Telegraph-Forum May 26, 201
http://tinyurl.com/zskzh2u
以下快速翻譯
In case you have not noticed, the bats in high school baseball are not what
they used to be.
高中棒球的球棒變了
In 2011, a rule change prohibited any and all aluminum bats that did not have
a “BBCOR” stamp on it. Why is that stamp so important? BBCOR stands for
“Batted Ball Coefficient of Restitution” and the idea behind the bats is to
minimize the trampoline effect of a ball jumping off of a bat.
2011規定所有沒有彈性係數合格標章的鋁棒通通不準用
In theory, it would cut down on the risk of a batted ball screaming back at a
pitcher’s head, and would give the pitchers and infielders a little more of a
reaction time on line drives. Ohio High School Athletic Association Assistant
Commissioner Jerry Snodgrass says the BBCOR term basically means to reduce the
speed of a ball off the bat.
彈性係數限制使的打出去的球沒那麼危險
“(BBCOR is a) fancy term but basically a measurement of the speed of a ball
coming off a bat. And, as you may know, BBCOR bats are significantly less
‘live’ than the old BESR (Ball Exit Speed Ratio) bats.”
BBCOR的規定比舊的BESR來的嚴格
In 2012, high schools had to also make the switch to BBCOR stamped bats only.
What the manufacturers do is basically deaden the bat to make it as close to
wooden-bat power as possible. Snodgrass explained the process high school
baseball had to go through.
2012高中必須全面換BBCOR的球棒,跟木棒有差不多彈性
“The BBCOR bat standard went into the college ranks a few years before high
school and the implementation for high school was over a 2- or 3-year period
… simply to give schools time to purchase and incorporate bats into their
inventory (though most players today have their own expensive bats),”
Snodgrass said.
BBCOR規定在幾年前就在大學使用,讓高中有時間跟錢買新球棒,雖然大部份球員自己有
一隻貴死人球棒
Going through tests
But, how much different is the BBCOR bat from a wooden bat? B. Elliot Hopkins,
director of sports, sanctioning and student services for the National
Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS), recognizes research shows
wood and BBCOR are very similar.
B. Elliot Hopkin(高中棒協高官) 說木棒跟BBCOR棒差不了太多
So it begs the question, why not just make the switch to wooden bats?
那幹嘛換?
The biggest difference is the BBCOR bats will not break on inside pitches.
But, would education and the strength of high school aged players help reduce
the number of broken wood bats if a change was made?
鋁棒不容易從裡面斷,但是好好教學生的話,木棒也是不太會斷的喔
Change is not always easy. Even though wood bats are allowed for high school,
the NFHS does not mandate them.
高中球隊要拿木棒打也行喔
States and teams can make the decision to change to wood bats, but a
nationwide switch would have to come from the NFHS. And they are happy with
results they have found from research.
以州或球隊為單位可以自行決定換木棒,但全國需要高中棒協許可,而且他們覺得目前研究
結果說木棒跟BBCOR棒差不多
“Wood bats are allowed for high school baseball. We do not mandate them.
It is up to each individual school and state. We are comfortable with the
BBCOR standard currently. If science is able to provide a different or better
standard, then we would investigate that scientific research,” Hopkins said.
高官說:木棒,可以喔.
不過我們覺得BBCOR棒就很舒服了,如果有人說要有其他標準,那我們也會變喔
Any change would most likely come from the college level down. Snodgrass
knows the research put into rule changes is important and should be done to
the fullest extent. The NCAA has the best research and the NFHS relies on a
lot of its findings, Snodgrass said..
要變會從大學往下變,因為他們有錢研究木棒跟BBCOR棒,高中沒錢
“The NFHS does not maintain testing facilities — especially due to the
complexity of it, so they rely on the same tests used by the NCAA which has
the financial resources to conduct elaborate tests.”
高中棒協都聽大學的,他們沒考慮我們的經濟問題
Cost-benefit analysis
But there may be a bigger difference; price. It could get expensive for high
schools to keep buying wooden bats every year instead of just three BBCOR bats.
However, you can buy a performance grade Hard Maple C271 wooden bat from
Louisville Slugger for $49.99. Or, you could buy three Louisville Slugger
Prime 915 BBCOR bats for $399.99 a piece (most high schools buy three bats
for three different lengths).
一隻同等級的BBCOR棒是木棒的八倍喔,而且球隊會買三隻不同長度
That’s $1,200 for just three bats; instead of 24 wooden bats for the same
price. Each of those wooden bats will have about the same power as the BBCOR
bat.
三隻BBCOR棒$1200美金可以買24隻一樣等級的木棒喔
Crestline head coach Steve Garberich sees the price as a major influence in
weather a change would even be considered.
高中教練Steve Garberich說鋁棒價錢要看天氣
“I think if they break a lot then there will be a big cost. We use these
BBCOR bats for a couple years unless they change the specs. If the price was
right on and everyone was on the same playing field, then I am for it. I just
see a lot of broken bats especially with the cold springs that we have. We got
one new bat this year and got a good deal on it. If the wooden bat’s price is
right and we could get eight to 10 of them for the price of one BBCOR then it
could be something worth looking into,” Garberich said.
Steve Garberich說斷越多花越多,如果大家球場一樣,那BBCOR棒沒關係,我們今年(網拍?)
買到很便宜的BBCOR棒,可是一樣等級如果可以買10隻木棒那我們可以考慮喔
Some relief could come from the players themselves. Most parents buy bats and
high schools normally do not have an overwhelming expense for them.
球員都自己買棒子,用木棒可以省錢
If parents are willing to pay $400 for a BBCOR bat, would they be willing to
spend the same amount for eight wood bats?
爸媽願意花$400買一隻BBCOR棒的話,願意買八隻木棒嗎
Snodgrass knows a lot of players have their own bats, but believes the simple
fact the bats could break would put the schools’ expenses in a tough
situation.
Snodgrass說他們大部份球員都有自己的棒子,大家都有先入為主的想法說斷棒會造成
學校財政困難
“On the expense side of things, no doubt it is significant today. However,
since most kids have their own bats, the majority of schools today do not
really experience that much in the way of expenses. And, given the breakage
possibility of a wooden bat, when it is all said and done, might be a wash
for a school,” Snodgrass said.
以花費來說是很重要的課題啦,只是小朋友自己都有棒子,更何況考慮斷棒率,
木棒跟鋁棒可能差不了太多,Snodgrass這樣說
Finding the Sweet Spot
One major complaint is the wood bats have a smaller “sweet spot” than the
BBCOR. As the years progress and the research continues, BBCOR bats will likely
shift to approximately the same size sweet spot as wood.
大家抱怨木棒有比較小的甜蜜點,不過BBCOR未來的取向也是將甜蜜點縮到跟木棒一樣
In theory, high school baseball players will be swinging a bat made of
composite aluminum that will contain the same benefits as swinging a wood bat.
The only difference is, parents and high schools will be paying $350 more per
bat. The cost is just one reason why Colonel Crawford head coach Joe
Swartzmiller is in favor of the wood bats along with many others.
複合材料棒跟木棒打起來效果一樣喔,不過家長要一隻多花$350,教練Swartzmiller
跟其他教練一樣比較想打木棒
“I am all for wood bats. Personally I like them better than the bats we use
now. As far as financially, the cost can be cheaper with more bats. The bats
we use are really expensive just for one bat. So, the overall cost can lower
at the same time buying more bats. Another thing would be the weather. If it
gets down to a certain temperature it can ruin these BBCOR bats. That’s a lot
of money being ruined. I just wish we went back to the old BESR bats and call
it a season,” Swartzmiller said.
我要木棒!BBCOR棒太貴了,改為以前BESR棒可以嗎?Swartzmiller這樣說
Speaking of Weather
Spring sports in Ohio deal with the famously unpredictable weather conditions.
The makeup of the BBCOR bat does not fare well in the cold and the use of the
bats could lead to the possibility of never being able to use them again.
Manufacturers recommend that composite BBCOR bats not be used in sub 55-degree
weather.
廠商說BBCOR棒不建議13度c以下使用喔
North Dakota has dealt with the weather factor. In a 2007 USA Today article,
an interview with Shanely High School coach Joel Swanson stated, “Two years
ago we played 29 games in temperatures below 45 degrees. We paid $2,100 for
seven (metal) bats, and a month into the season, six had broken. We’re working
with small budgets in a lot of small schools. Every penny counts.”
Shanely High School is located in Fargo, North Dakota, where weather is always
a factor.
北達科他州的教練怒吼:2005我們花了$2100買七支m-pro,打不到一個月就斷六支了!!
我們這裡天氣常常不到七度c
Learning Curve
If the switch is made, a need for education on using wooden bats would be
essential. It could be the first time for a majority of players using a wood
bat. And there would be a learning curve. Wynford head coach Joe Staab knows
there is a huge difference in a player’s approach with a BBCOR bat in their
hands compared to a wood bat. He has even provided his players an opportunity
to get a few swings in with a wood bat in the school’s batting cages.
從BBCOR棒換木棒需要時間學習
“We have a couple in the cage and the kids really do notice a difference.
If a change like this ever happens, the coaches would have to teach the kids
how to hit with wood bats,” Staab said. “The inside pitches need to be hit
further out in front instead of letting it in on your hands. Another thing to
look at is player safety. Broken bats could add a potential hazard. An inside
pitch on the BBCOR bats is a slow roller and the bat is still usable.”
教練Staab說我們要教小朋友完整的揮棒來適應木棒,木棒的斷棒也是有受傷風險
Many think a change would never happen for that reason alone.
Broken bats may lead to a bigger safety risk than line drives at a pitchers.
In 2008, Major League Baseball saw its worst season with broken bats. According
to a report by Quinn Roberts of MLB.com, that year saw a broken bat rate of
one per game.
平飛斷棒對投手是很大的風險,2008時MLB每場比賽斷一根
Since, MLB has made efforts to reduce that number through programs and
regulations. In recent years, the rate has dropped to just a half a bat per
game. Regulations have contributed to the drop.
MLB對木棒做出更嚴格的規範降低斷棒機率
Major League Baseball is also trying to sway players from using low-density
bats that have big barrels with hallowed-up cups at the end.
MLB說低密度跟大頭深溝棒不能用了喔
With the same education, high schools would see an even bigger drop in broken
bats per game. Due to differences in strength, a lot of the bats would not
break in high school in the same situations as Major League Baseball. While
most players would say that it was the wood’s fault that the bats break,
most of the time, the players hit the ball on the wrong part of the bat to
cause the break.
用同樣的規範高中也會大幅降低斷棒喔,更何況高中生沒MLB有力(Stanton:真的嗎?)
Before a decision is made, one thing is certain: more research and plenty of
time will pass before a switch can be made.
在做出決定前還有更多研究要做捏
作者: peter080808 (peter)   2015-12-16 13:54:00
結果一票棒球版鄉民們的"鋁棒比較省錢論"不知哪裡生出來的XD
作者: chdc ( )   2015-12-16 13:55:00
不管啦 推木棒就是廠商賺錢的陰謀!
作者: morinaga9515 (不傷身不含內固醇)   2015-12-16 13:55:00
你是不是會日文?
作者: WillWaiting (Creep)   2015-12-16 13:55:00
他們沒有更新資訊啊 以前拿舊規範的鋁棒頂級一隻不到一萬 頂級木棒兩三千
作者: mrchica (曲卡)   2015-12-16 13:56:00
作者: WillWaiting (Creep)   2015-12-16 13:56:00
現在新規範頂級一隻兩三萬啊
作者: VVizZ (我很窮)   2015-12-16 13:57:00
也就是你要賺我也要賺的意思 我建議通通改打竹棒
作者: vencil (vencs)   2015-12-16 13:58:00
作者: omanorboyo (omanorboyo)   2015-12-16 14:01:00
打到又凹又變形都不換的確比較省XD
作者: WillWaiting (Creep)   2015-12-16 14:02:00
也是啦 一隻用三年也是可以直接買家樂福的
作者: hyder1024 (新莊伊藤開司)   2015-12-16 14:05:00
偷渡m-pro XDDDD
作者: kira925 (1 2 3 4 疾風炭)   2015-12-16 14:05:00
你一定要把臉打到歪掉嗎XD
作者: ccl007 (.......)   2015-12-16 14:05:00
不知道台灣有沒有製造 如果讓台灣人來摳私當 不過加拿大就
作者: pounil (IOU)   2015-12-16 14:05:00
當然啊 打到同樣斷了才換的話當然比較省 不過鄉民打到棒子
作者: ccl007 (.......)   2015-12-16 14:06:00
是產鋁的大國
作者: pounil (IOU)   2015-12-16 14:06:00
斷的機率高嗎?
作者: WillWaiting (Creep)   2015-12-16 14:10:00
現在好棒都複合材料 也比以前鋁棒更容易斷啊 如果打身體健康的話鋁棒的確比較省我這有一批一隻不到兩千五台幣的BBCOR鋁棒 歡迎鍵盤高苑 平鎮 桃農 南英的鋁棒組跟我訂購
作者: lightpisces (賴打‧魚)   2015-12-16 14:20:00
彈性係數跟甜蜜點縮到跟木棒一樣 那這公司產鋁棒幹嘛根本來削錢的嘛
作者: WillWaiting (Creep)   2015-12-16 14:21:00
我這隻複合材料棒甜密點跟彈性跟木棒有90%像使用楓木加上烤漆 用起來跟木棒有九成像
作者: jefftie2000 (Y.Y)   2015-12-16 14:23:00
那就是木棒阿乾
作者: peter080808 (peter)   2015-12-16 14:23:00
合格規範的鋁棒彈性降是必然的 學生棒球力量越來越強不改會在死人的
作者: e84011095 (天龍魯蛇)   2015-12-16 14:24:00
WW大這樣算是一次給金龍、鏞基、威助、恩齋、E全、YOH還有大師兄震撼教育嗎 啪啪
作者: WillWaiting (Creep)   2015-12-16 14:25:00
你就叫大師兄問小頭嘛 小頭去年看了最多高中比賽
作者: peter080808 (peter)   2015-12-16 14:26:00
那票球員就拿自己以前的經驗套現在啊 球棒也不是他們在買...
作者: wang7752 (^^b)   2015-12-16 14:33:00
因為目前CPBL這票大部分頂尖的球員都是鋁棒出生的
作者: kenkenken31 (呆呆傻蛋)   2015-12-16 15:12:00
怎有M-pro出現在文章裡XDDD
作者: takenostand ((紫色隱者))   2015-12-16 16:15:00
我覺得如果真的改回鋁棒,鍵盤專家們又要認證台灣是棒球落後地區一次了堅持自己論述是合理的,但是藉此婊職業球員,到底是哪裡來的自信?鋁棒木棒我沒多大意見,只是鍵盤專家的暱名發言,帶這麼大的風向真的讓我非常意外
作者: tywei (踢歪打不溜)   2015-12-16 20:43:00
以前鋁棒組都打庫存舊棒子,今年各高中發現國中打BBCOR的很好打(其實是輕和短-5),所以都去跟國中球隊借球棒,然後球就打得滿天飛了,這是台灣沒有規範,高中打國中棒子
作者: OD1109 (強棒高手)   2015-12-16 21:30:00
怎麼會沒有規範 國中是BPF1.15 高中是BBCOR高中比賽都規定要拿-3的棒子呀 拿-5是做弊呀黑豹旗某隊就被抓包了呀
作者: tywei (踢歪打不溜)   2015-12-16 21:48:00
你拿黑豹旗來講鋁棒聯賽,你沒有看競賽規程對不對二、比賽球棒:依據國際棒球總會或國內學生棒球組織認定公司、廠牌之金屬球棒。你也沒有看比賽對不對?
作者: OD1109 (強棒高手)   2015-12-16 22:18:00
鋁棒聯賽是學生棒總辦的,講真的,照殺豬公習慣他們還認為鋁棒會打死人,bbcor規範還沒用飛鴿傳來台灣
作者: rettttt5 (再踢五次)   2015-12-16 23:09:00
誰得利都好,鍵盤棒球好手才是對的看到一堆只會敲鍵盤的在那邊酸職業好手真的快笑死到底是哪來的自信認為自己是正確無誤?還學科術科勒阿不就看球看了幾年,系棒跟草野球打一打罷了乖乖當個球迷就好,到底是哪來的自信酸大師兄

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