Re: [U20] 期中報告 -- 球員篇

作者: bolam (95 10 23步排入伍)   2014-03-15 21:35:55
※ 引述《bolam (95 10 23步排入伍)》之銘言:
紅色 = 主力球員
黃色 = 雙技能球員
綠色 = 邊緣球員
守門員
players Player ID Team Round Q14 age S ST
謝 (Xie) 元繁 (Yuanfan) 381386368 San Vito City XXI Q14 20.76 - 5
俞 (Yu) 貴江 (Guijiang) 380804608 NK Slembo VG XXI Q14 20.92 - 6
游 (You) 傑材 (Jiecai) 381599310 FC Shamrock Goblins XXI Q13 21.04 - 4
我們的俞貴江一號守門現在被掛在轉會市場上,在官網的公開論壇有些不錯的討論,
我就轉錄來PTT囉,相信可以給一些玩家啟發,甚至是長知識,
或是帶起正面討論風氣都好。
http://www79.hattrick.org/Forum/Read.aspx?t=16526264&n=2&v=4
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by 版主 :
球員近況報告 :
很特別的,下一屆U20的一號門將被掛上了轉會市場,
俞 (Yu) 貴江 (Guijiang) (380804608),
半數以上的主力在我接手後都到轉會市場上打過招呼了,真是狀況多多,
附有挑戰性的U20國教任期。
U20會觀察誰是最後買家,並跟最後的買家詢問他的計畫。
之後時間許可,會利用每週的討論串,或是另開主題,報告些類似這樣的故事,
或是五個被送往NT的故事。
http://www79.hattrick.org/Forum/Read.aspx?t=16526264&n=6&v=4
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by Tatkumasilpapa
Well, it's not unusual for keepers that they get transfered when they reach
GK 15 because they need a training change on set pieces,
and not every GK trainer is willing to change his settings from two trainees
(goalkeeping) to 22 trainees (set pieces).
恩,守門員GK技能上15後,被放上轉會市場,並不是那麼少見,
因為正常來說,這樣的球員該改練定位球了。
同時也不是所有的訓練守門員的經理都願意將訓練從守門員技能改成定位球技能。
Right before the last qualification we had to search new homes for both
keepers 賴 (Lai) 成景 (Chengjing) (367301299) and 劉 (Liou) 弘力 (Hongli)
(365326927) for the same reason.
上一次的U20資個賽前,重要的守門員賴成景和劉弘力也轉會了,因為一樣的原因。
The important point is to know about the plans of the owner so that the
Keeper Scout can prepare this transfer. That's what we did before the last
campaign, and I hope you do it for this campaign. For Taiwan.
現在重要的事情,是確認經理的計畫,這樣守門員球探可以為這次的轉會做準備,
這也是過去我們(指TNP)在資格賽前做的事情,我希望為了台灣,你也能這麼做。
http://www79.hattrick.org/Forum/Read.aspx?t=16526264&n=8&v=4
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by 版主
papa
我認同你以GK的技能15為分水嶺,但是余貴江的案例又特別奇怪。
1. 現在是賽季的第12週,下一屆的U20的WCQ會在下賽季的第三週的星期五開賽,
以HT的算法,今天已經是這週的最後一天了,所以48天後,
下一屆的U20的WCQ就開賽了。
2. 這也沒甚麼,不過以NT/u20為目標訓練球員的經理,
通常都會以NT/U20的出場為重要的目標,即使是直達NT為目標的球員,
通常都會認可U20為重要的中期階段,更不用說從17歲練到現在19歲多,
遊戲是接近3個賽季,現實生活也超過1年了,練了這麼久,卻在這時候掛牌,
而且掛的是合理的市價,特別奇怪。
3. 當然不能否定,該位經理視一位大無私的經理,把GK技能練上15後就賣出,
為了我大台灣的NT做出無私的貢獻,但是這位玩家之前的訓練走的是很深的體能(5%),
然後配合U20的詢問,在適當的時間調高了體能,以U20出場為目標做計劃,
因此我基本上還是認為這位玩家是把球員瞄準U20的。
4. 另外不能否定這位玩家想賺錢的想法,不過他掛的價錢,在我看來是市價,
所以他想撈一筆U20財,那麼他又掛的不夠高。
你提的例子賴成景、劉弘力,我記得也是以U20出場為目標。
不管如何,球員掛牌就是掛牌了,所以U20團隊會追蹤的。
感謝你提供的資訊
http://www79.hattrick.org/Forum/Read.aspx?t=16526264&n=10&v=4
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by Tatkumasilpapa
it's about timing, only 48 days to next U20 offical match
True, it's a short time. But this is normal, because when a keeper is going to
be trained in GK from 6/7 to 15, he reaches 15 right some weeks before the
first official game of the campaign. Look at the transfer date of Laj:
He has been transferred on 07. september, this was three weeks before the
first game. Pinkusachi took over and gave him the SP training he needed.
版主 : 這是時間點的問題,離下一次U20資格賽開賽只剩下48天了
papa : 沒錯,48天的確是個很短的時間,但是這是很正常的。
因為當一個守門從及格/穩定直上到15,
他會在資格賽第一比賽日的前幾週到達級別15,
你看看劉的轉會日期,他在9/7號(2013年)轉會,
這也是資個賽第一比賽日,的前三個禮拜而已,
另一位經理Pinkusachi買下他,接手他接下來需要的定位球訓練。
maybe 1st point is not important , however, many trainer who aim to NT/U20,
view the appearance of U20 as a important milsotone
not to mention the manager train Yu for a long time, he trained him so long,
and give up U20 and list now, it's wierd
Correct, and some other just want to train towards U20/NT,
but are not willing to change the training for their whole club team.
In case of keepers this is complicated because goalkeeping and defending/set
pieces do not fit that good together. When training goalkeeping,
you can keep two young keepers to train, the rest of the team can be old guys.
But when you change on defending you have to buy new trainees (up to ten),
all of them young (because it doesn't make sense to train old players).
The same for set pieces, here you train 22 players,
so if you change on set pieces, you should also change a big part of your
team. If not, you will lose money, as training 30 years old players in set
pieces is also a waste of training.
That's why keepers are a way more special then other players.
Keeper trainers often like to stay on goalkeeping training.
They just train their keepers on 14/15/16, sell them,
and buy other young lads for GK training. In this case,
they don't have to make huge changes in their squad.
版主 : 或許第一點並不重要,
但是不少經理把訓練球員的目標定在NT/U20國家隊輸送人才,
同時把U20的出場當成一個重要的里程碑。
更不用說這位經理以經訓練俞很長的一段時間了,這時候放棄,是很奇怪的。
papa : 你說得沒錯,但是也有一些經理,他們把目標放在U20/NT出場,
但是他們並不願意把球隊訓練從守門技能改成定位球技能。
同時守門技能/防守技能/定位球技能的訓練,並不是那麼互補的。
守門員訓練,你一週能練兩個年輕球員(守門員),其他位置都可以買老頭,
但是當你改成鍊防守時,你一週可以練10個人,
所以你需要多買一些訓練的球員,
理論上你要新買的訓練的球員都是年輕的球員,因為買老頭來練不太合理,
改練定位球,也是一樣的狀況,但是你現在一週可以練22個球員了。
所以,如果你從守門技能改成定位球技能,
你的球隊將會發生很大的變化(大洗牌),如果沒有發生很大變化的話,
那你會虧錢的,因為30歲的老頭是沒甚麼訓練價值的。
這也是守門員和其他位置特別不一樣的原因,
訓練守門員的經理喜歡持續練守門技能,
他們把守門員的守門技能練上14/15/16後,賣掉他們,然後再買新的守門員小牛,
所以這些經理的球員,U20出場的機會並不是很大的。
of course we can't deny the chance that he is a so un-felfish manager,
in order to be the great strength for Taiwan NT, he gives up his U20,
however, he goes deep stamina when Yu is young, and is willing to adjust the
stamina in time, so I guess here he is aiming to U20
Yes, he had to drive a deep stamina share. I told him to do that some
months ago when he bought that player. I mean, he is not the only keeper in
that generation, there are at least two more. And if he would have trained on
a higher stamina share earlier, the keeper would have fell back behind the
others. He knew about that. In order to keep chances for U20,
he had to train on 5%. But this does not necessairily mean he will keep him
till the end of the campaign, just because a training change means huge
changes for his club squad. Here the scout really has to be careful and get
informations about the plans of the owner. Sometimes owners have their own
ideas, and sometimes they do not come up with them by themselves. Means,
the scout or the coach have to come up with questions themselves,
just to get the information they need for further planning.
版主 : 當然我們不能否定這位經理是個為我大台灣的強大,
一位無私放棄U20的經理的可能性。
然而,俞的體能原本走得很深(很低),同時他願意為了U20的資格賽,
適時的調整體能,這讓我覺得,他的目標是走向U20的。
papa : 是的,俞年輕的時候,他必須把體能走低,
這是幾個月前這位經理買下俞的時候我告訴他的。
我的意思是,俞不是在同一世代唯一的守門員,至少還有其他兩個貨是更多的。
如果這位經理把俞的體能走高,俞U20的機會就會落在其他同世代的競爭者後面,
為了俞U20的機會以及出賽順位,他必須把體能走深成5%,
但是這並不代表他必須把體能一直走深,直到U20的資格賽結束(共有14比賽日),
把體能調高也是為了他的俱樂部著想。
所以這裡,球探要很小心,同時要跟經理充分溝通,充分了解經理的計畫,
有時候,經理會有他自己的想法,有時候,經理並不是孤獨一個人的,
意思是說,球探/國教必須陪伴經理克服問題,
同時為了更長遠的計畫,需要收集足夠的資訊。
whatever, listing is listing, U20 will keep trace
thanks for your information
Fine, welcome and good luck.
作者: bolam (95 10 23步排入伍)   2014-03-18 22:33:00
結果俞沒有轉匯....

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