[情報] Reddit翻譯:金卡比普通卡更弱的證明

作者: pride829 (竹鼠)   2014-05-28 04:39:57
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WARNING: This is purely theoretical and Amaz might not get it <3.
警告:這完全是理論上的而且Amaz可能沒辦法理解喔<3
Hello gentlemen, I have an interesting scenario to discuss with you guys!
Take this with a grain of salt, it does not matter much in practice.
嗨大家,我有個有趣的理論想跟各位討論一下!多少看一下吧,這對實際情況影響不大。
I will argue that there exists a golden card which is weaker than its normal
counterpart. That is, having this golden card in your deck, instead of the
normal version, produces no additional advantage (obviously) but may (rarely)
actually add a disadvantage to your play. Say whaaat?
我提出的論點是金卡是有可能比普通卡更弱的。也就是說,有金卡在你的牌組裡面,而
非普通卡,對你(顯然)沒有好處但(罕見的情況下)有可能會對造成不利。為什麼呢?
Thoughtsteal.
思想竊取。
Point: playing two versions of the same card, one being gold and the other
being normal, could give you a disadvantage. Consider a Shaman versus Priest
match, where the priest uses a normal Thoughtsteal to obtain a golden Hex. A
few turns later, the shaman plays a regular Hex. The conclusion is that the
shaman must have two Hex cards in his deck. This may or may not matter, but
it's certainly important because many decks (I suppose) run things like 1
Hex, 1 Flamestrike, 1 Faceless...
重點:同時使用一張卡片的兩種版本,金卡跟普通卡,會造成負面的影響。設想一個傻滿
對上牧師,而牧師用一張普通思想竊取偷到了一張金色的青蛙。幾回合之後,薩滿使用了
一張普通的青蛙。結論是薩滿在牌組中一定有兩張妖術。這或許不會造成影響,但(我認
為)這是很重要的因為很多牌組裡面只有一張妖術,一張烈焰風暴,一張無面…
Edit: Don't focus too much on whether Shamans actually use 2x Hex or not. The
argument applies for any non-legendary card which is often used with a single
copy. This changes with the meta-game.
編輯:就別管說到底有多少傻滿會放兩張青蛙了。這個論點適用於任何你通常只放一張的
非傳說卡。這些會隨著meta變動。
Edit: This point can be proved in many other ways, such as returning a golden
minion to your hand and playing its normal version later
編輯:在其他方面也會有影響,例如說將一張金色手下返回至手上並在之後打出普通顏色
的同樣手下
In the very end-game, you could actually win the game by knowing that your
opponent holds, for instance, a second Flamestrike.
在遊戲後期,你真的可以靠得知你對手手上還有什麼來獲勝,例如說,第二張烈焰風暴。
The conclusion is that running both non-golden/golden versions of the same
card gives additional information to your (priest) opponent! It can confirm
that you are running more than one copy of a certain card!
結論是在牌組內同時放入金卡與非金卡會給你的(牧師)對手額外的資訊!他可以確定你
的某張卡片在牌組裡面有一張以上!
Okay but wait, this only proves that you should NOT PLAY both non-golden and
golden versions of a card. How does this prove that a golden card can be
WEAKER than its normal counterpart?
好吧。不過等等,這只能證明你不應該同時放入金卡與非金卡。怎麼證明說金卡是比普通
卡還要弱的呢?
Golden Thoughtsteal. Huh, why?
金色思想竊取。蛤,為何?
Golden Thoughtsteal is UNABLE to distinguish between your opponent's
non-golden and golden cards because Golden Thoughtsteal always turns the
stolen cards into their golden version.
金色的思想竊取無法分辨你的對手的卡片是否金色因為它偷到的一定是金色版本。
This means that Golden Thoughtsteal cannot give us the additional information
that the regular Thoughtsteal is able to. There is no reason, aside from
liking shiny cards, to use a Golden Thoughtsteal in your deck instead of a
regular one.
這表示說金色思想竊取沒辦法給你普通思想竊取可以給你的額外的資訊。沒有理由去使用
金色思想竊取而不是普通的偷牌 ,除非你喜歡卡片亮晶晶。
Regular Thoughtsteal has the ability to differentiate between two "versions"
of the same card. "Version" refers to whether it is golden or not
普通的思想竊取有能力可以區分同樣卡片的"版本"。"版本"取決於它是否為金色
CONCLUSION 1: (theoretically) Do not play both regular and golden versions of
the same card.
結論1:(理論上)不要同時在牌組內放入一張卡片的金色和普通版本。
CONCLUSION 2: (theoretically) Do not play golden thoughtsteal.
結論2:(理論上)不要使用金色的思想竊取。
Edit: The same probably applies to golden Mindgames and Mind Vision
編輯:這大概也可以應用在金色的心理遊戲跟心靈幻象上
Edit 2: Front page! Bring on all the hacks!
編輯2:我上首頁啦!放馬過來吧駭客們!(不懂作者為何要說這句)
Edit 3: This is a known issue in games like Magic: The Gathering, but I find
it unique that the problem arises in Hearthstone. Cards should not be
distinguishable, but using their "gold status" they might be. Furthermore, it
is unique in the sense that using "better" cards gives you a disadvantage
編輯3:這在魔法風雲會中是廣為人知的議題,不過在爐石中倒還未被人所提及。卡片不
應該是可以被分辨的,不過用"金色版本"的話就可能可以被分辨。除此之外,使用
"比較好"的卡片反而會有缺點也滿特別的。
Edit 4: People are arguing whether regular thought steal can give you golden
cards. I'd argue any person who played priest for a while would have
experienced the opposite
編輯4:人們爭論著普通思想竊取是否能給你金卡。我懷疑那些菜牧師到底打過幾場活人
Edit 5: Amaz is no logician
編輯5:Amaz不懂邏輯
Edit 6: To all of you who do not get it, be open minded and think for a
moment. Clearly, a lot of people understand this
編輯6:對那些看不懂的人,敞開心胸仔細想想吧。很顯然大部分人都理解了。
(其實這想法不難理解,不過作者不知道為何要加入一大堆廢話)

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