Fw: [新聞] 發現是同性戀後教會取消他的喪禮

作者: bluebrown (仨基友撸一把)   2014-08-11 03:08:48
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作者: bluebrown (仨基友撸一把) 看板: Christianity
標題: [新聞] 發現是同性戀後教會取消他的喪禮
時間: Mon Aug 11 03:04:05 2014
http://ppt.cc/t~T3 (全文在後)
簡單說明一下報導內容。死者是名同性戀,知道患有「類澱粉沉積症」(Amyloidosis)
[算是一種絕症]之後決定在死前和男朋友結婚。在知道他的死訊後教堂最初接受喪事的
預約,但卻在舉行日的前晚取消,家人被告知為他舉行喪禮是褻瀆(blasphemous)。
據報導說原因很可能是牧師看到訃聞之後發現死者身份。
不意外的是那間教會「新希望使徒浸信會」是美南浸信俱樂部的成員之一。
http://www.newhopejay.com/
有人可以說明一下,和同性結婚過,還是和同性性交過的死者是違反聖經哪條規定,
使得該教會認為為其舉行喪禮是一種褻瀆嗎?(請就喪禮而論,不是受不受神喜愛什
麼的,除非舉行喪禮的資格是要受神喜愛?)
還是說該教會把同性婚姻當作一種撒但或惡靈附身儀式,以致於沒斷開連結之前,
為任何接觸過的人舉行儀式都會褻瀆該教會的聖潔寶地,神會降下可怕的災難?
我個人比較傾向世俗性的理由,例如害怕信徒不滿,例如懲罰他的家人竟敢讓他兒子和
同性結婚,懲罰他的先生舉行同性婚姻,教會對同性戀的排斥等等,
不過也許有人能提供符合基督教教義,出自於「公義和愛」的見解?
為免誤會先聲明,我並沒有明示或暗示該教會有無義務舉行喪禮,
我問的是為其舉行喪禮違反基督教教義嗎?
(希望某m不要跑來亂入,我向神祈禱XDDD)
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http://ppt.cc/t~T3
獨立報
A man from Florida had his funeral cancelled just 24 hours before it was due
to take place after the church discovered that he was gay.
Julion Evans of Tampa, died in July after a four-year battle with Amyloidosis,
a rare disease that attacks the internal organs and causes them to shut down.
However, after his family organised a funeral for Evans at their local church,
they were told it had been cancelled – just one night before it was set to
take place.
According to a report on WFLA, the church had initially accepted the booking
after hearing about Evans' death.
Yet this was quickly reversed when the pastor of the church, TW Jenkins, found
out about Evans' sexuality from reading his obituary in the local paper.
The family were then contacted just 12 hours before the proposed funeral, to
be told that the church could no longer hold the funeral because it would be
“blasphemous” to do so.
Evans’ mother, Julie Attwood, was distraught when she heard the news.
She told WFLA: “It was devastating. I did feel like he was being denied the
dignity of death.”
With only a day to find a new location, the family were unable to contact all
those scheduled to attend and this led to many mourners arriving at the wrong
venue and missing the service.
Evans's husband Kendall Capers, was furious about the incident and said that
the church’s decision to call just one night before was “disrespectful”.
He said: “This is 2014, this is not the 60s or the 70s
“I just want his [Jenkins] wrong-doing to be exposed.”
Pastor Jenkins defended the church’s decision, saying that his church preached
against gay marriage.
"Based on our preaching of the scripture, we would have been in error to allow
the service in our church,“ Jenkins said. ”I'm not trying to condemn anyone's
lifestyle, but at the same time, I am a man of God, and I have to stand up for
my principles."
Evans and Capers were partners for 17 years after meeting in their 20s.
When they learned about Evans’ illness they decided to get married, with the
ceremony taking place in Maryland last year.
Capers said that the pair did not hide their sexuality and most people in the
area knew that they were married.
作者: timer000 (祝我們平安^_^)   2014-08-12 00:00:00
恩...聖經有滿多經文都有提到上帝不喜悅同性性行為我有在另一個板看到你文章以前我有發文解釋過,為何舊約的規定我們只守其精義http://ppt.cc/Y5bg不過同性性行為是從舊約罵到新約~不過能不能舉行葬禮~我想這沒有正確答案...
作者: bluebrown (仨基友撸一把)   2014-08-12 17:32:00
感謝回答。
作者: fenix800704 (Fenix)   2014-09-12 22:27:00
我覺得這是為教會立界線,況且教會為一個沒有悔改的人主持葬禮,牧師該怎麼主持啊!?? 這件事跟是不是同性戀沒關係,而是跟那個人是不是基督徒有關係。
作者: bluebrown (仨基友撸一把)   2014-09-15 22:28:00
意思是非基督徒的喪禮,牧師不能主持?
作者: startwinkle (星爍)   2014-09-17 10:10:00
牧師要怎麼主持一個還沒得救的人的喪禮?基督教沒有迴向功德和死後福音牧師也沒有權柄代神收納非基督徒的靈魂進天國
作者: bluebrown (仨基友撸一把)   2014-09-18 15:29:00
http://goo.gl/dhc9x3 在下葬儀式(Committal Service方面,有兩個方案可供選擇。當不清楚死者的信仰是否為為基督徒時,建議採用後者。http://goo.gl/uH51th 信徒家庭有未信者離世,或信徒離世而家族未信,其願不願意教會為其辦理喪禮,自己決定。這是實務和理論的差別嗎?是說,牧師也不知道基督徒是否真合神心意(不是自稱基督徒神就接納吧?),那牧師有代為先判定的資格?
作者: fenix800704 (Fenix)   2014-09-18 22:38:00
抱歉用詞絕對了些,我其實不是在論對錯。是想讓大家看清楚問題是什麼。現在要討論的是,對於「非基督徒」所申請的葬禮,教會應該怎麼回應。
作者: bluebrown (仨基友撸一把)   2014-09-19 00:37:00
我也滿好奇的,因為實務上來看,台灣的教會有為不信者舉行喪禮的樣子(從一些規定的隻言片語推測…)
作者: timer000 (祝我們平安^_^)   2014-09-21 00:01:00
有吧至少以天主教會,和長老教會,都有只是這樣的葬禮,是為了生者有時是年紀輕輕未信主就意外死了家人若大部分為基督徒就可能會希望舉辦這樣的葬禮只是死者去哪,只有上主知道但此葬禮的目的,就我了解,是為了撫慰生者...但此種葬禮的目的,就我了解,是為了撫慰生者...

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