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標題: [專欄] 格林看不到的價值：投射爛卻影響冠軍賽
時間: Fri Oct 9 00:23:00 2020
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Danny Green's invisible value: How the third-highest paid Laker has impacted
NBA Finals amid a shooting slump
丹尼綠看不到的價值：在投射超爛的情況下湖人的第三高薪球員如何影響總冠軍賽
Death, taxes and Danny Green shooting slumps. They are the three
inevitabilities of life, and for the "glass half full" crowd, they come with
more optimistic opposites. Death is only the end result of life. The more you
make, the more you're taxed. And Green's slumps only stick out because his
hot streaks are so blistering. Toronto's championship run was a perfect
example. Green went 4-for-23 from behind the arc in the Eastern Conference
finals... and then started the NBA Finals 11-of-22 and all was forgiven.
Green's shot comes and goes.
死亡、繳稅、格林爆跌的命中率，他們是生活中三個無法避免的事情。對於裝滿半杯水的
人們來說，事情總有樂觀的一面（剩半杯或是有半杯）。死亡是生命的結束，你賺的越多
，你付越多稅，格林的爆爛很顯著因為他的起伏是多麼的強烈。暴龍奪冠的過程是最好的
例子。格林在東冠投23中4，但在總冠軍賽投22中11，之前的事都可以被原諒了，格林的
投射來來去去的。
It hasn't in the bubble. Green is sitting at 33 percent for the postseason,
and with only one game remaining before a potential championship, it's
looking like his typical eruption isn't coming. Yet Frank Vogel hasn't taken
him out of the starting lineup even once. Neither did Nick Nurse a year ago,
or Gregg Popovich in any of his last six postseason runs in San Antonio. Some
of that is trust. Some of it is blind hope of regression. But mostly, three
of the best coaches in the NBA have all come to the same correct conclusion:
Danny Green still impacts games positively even when his shot isn't falling.
但在泡泡圈內這並沒有發生，格林在季後賽的命中率只有33%，在可能只剩一場比賽的情
況下，看起來他典型的爆發並不會來到（會不會被打臉啊？）。但是我哥從來都沒有把他
移出先發，去年的護士也是一樣，甚至在波波執教下待六年的馬刺也是。有些是信任，有
些是盲目的希望數據會回歸平均值。但至少，三個NBA最棒的教練都得到了一樣且正確的
結論：就算射的很爛，格林仍然正面的影響著比賽
The numbers bear that out for the Lakers. They have outscored opponents by
148 points in Green's 476 playoff minutes and have been outscored by 14 in
the 436 minutes he's sat out. The obvious explanation for this is that he is
still an excellent defensive player independent of his own shooting, yet most
of this gap comes on offense. The Lakers are scoring 121.5 points per 100
possessions with Green on the floor in the postseason and 107.5 without him.
Lakers fans frustrated with his nearly-$15 million salary have run through
the entire laundry list of possible excuses for that from "he still has
gravity even when his shots aren't falling" to "he plays most of his minutes
with LeBron James and Anthony Davis" to "it's just blind shooting luck in his
lineups," but the far simpler answer here is that Green is just an enormously
intelligent basketball player.
數字可以證明，在格林上場的476分鐘，湖人勝過對手148分，在他待在場下的436分鐘，
湖人輸了14分。最明顯的解釋是不管他的投射如何，他都是一位優秀的防守者，但其實最
大的差異在於進攻。格林在場上的時候，湖人每百回合可以得到121.5分，但格林在場下
的時候，每百回合只能得到107.5分。受夠他1500萬年薪的湖人球迷已經用盡了所有的藉
口像是："就算他射的很爛，他還是可以吸引防守"、"他大部分的時候都跟姆斯和戴維斯
一起在場上"到"他就是賽啦！"，但最簡單的答案是格林是非常有智慧的球員
Basketball IQ tends to be ascribed to ball-handlers. It's easy to watch Rajon
Rondo dissect a defense in pick-and-roll and marvel at his brilliance, but
the label shouldn't be so limited. Shooting, in Green's case, is the
byproduct of the dozens of little things that make him such a special role
player whether or not those shots go in. Game 4 of the NBA Finals provided a
number of worthwhile examples.
籃球智商通常會歸功於持球者。我們很容易看到軟豆利用擋拆撕裂防守然後讚嘆他的聰明
，但標籤不應該這麼的侷限。在格林的例子中，很多小事情使他變成一個特別的球員，不
管他能不能投進，投射只是這些事情的副產品。第四場比賽就提供了很多的例子
Selling the screen
LeBron is one of the NBA's preeminent switch-hunters, and Duncan Robinson has
been his prey of choice in the Finals. The method is simple: whoever Robinson
is guarding screens for LeBron, which forces Robinson to switch onto LeBron.
Miami's defense is so concerned with mitigating the damage of such a switch
that they lost track of the simplest switch-busting tactic in basketball:
slipping.
姆斯是NBA最著名的點名王，而石佛上將是他的獵物之一。方法很簡單，任何守DR守的
人去幫姆斯單擋，強迫DR去守詹姆斯。熱火的防守很在意這樣換防的破壞導致他們忘了
最簡單破換防的技巧：溜走
A lazy slip is a predictable slip, but nothing about Green's acting job here
is lazy. He comes from the opposite corner seemingly to screen for James, and
sells the idea of that screen to Robinson masterfully with a quick, tiny
little jump stop in front of Jimmy Butler. Robinson switches, but immediately
following that stop, he continues into the corner before making serious
contact with Butler. Butler, therefore, doesn't register the switch, and
Green gets a wide-open 3-pointer from the corner.
懶墮的滑溜是可以預測的，但格林做的事一點都不懶。他從對方的角落過來，看似要幫姆
斯單擋，並且很熟練的利用一個小跳到吉巴前面來讓DR認為格林是要幫擋。DR換防了
，但格林在停下來後，馬上在跟吉巴接觸前往角落跑去，所以吉巴並沒有注意到要換防，
而格林得到一個非常大的三分空檔
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HeavyForsakenFoxterrier-mobile.mp4
Green punished the Heat for their expectations, goading Robinson into a
switch that wasn't necessary in order to free himself for easy points. Most
players slip too early. Some players oversell the screen. But nuance is
Green's specialty, and he isn't the sole beneficiary of those veteran tricks.
格林利用熱火的預期來懲罰熱火，誘導上將做不必要的換防來讓他自己自由。大部分的球
員太早溜走了，有些球員擋過頭了。
Peek-a-boo and the art of off-ball movement
捉迷藏和無球移動的藝術
Green spends a lot of his time in the corner. Many role players do. He starts
this play like most others, waiting there for the action to potentially reach
him. Eventually, it does. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope runs a loop around the
court, and Bam Adebayo chases him. But watch what happens when Caldwell-Pope
gets to the baseline. Green quickly shuffles out of the corner and behind
Tyler Herro, obstructing Adebayo's vision of him. He then immediately pops
back out from behind Herro once Caldwell-Pope has passed for a surprise
screen on Adebayo, which takes him off of Caldwell-Pope.
格林花了很多的時間在角落，就像其他的角色球員一樣，等待著可能行動的時機到來。
KCP繞著球場一圈，阿爹追著他，但KCP到底線後格林看到了，馬上躲到Herro的後面，讓
阿爹不要注意到他，之後他突然跳出來幫KCP擋住了阿爹。（櫻木是用這個騙犯規）
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GenerousAcademicCirriped-mobile.mp4
It's the role player equivalent of White Goodman's patented peek-a-boo
attack, but its impact is much subtler. The hard screen forces Adebayo off of
Caldwell-Pope and into the corner on Green. Despite his best efforts, that
functionally takes Miami's best defender out of the play, which turns into a
dunk for Davis that he couldn't contest because of Green's gravity.
這樣的影響是很微妙的，這個單擋迫使阿爹遠離KCP來防守格林，儘管阿爹很努力了，這
一招讓熱火最好的防守者無法參與防守，因為得要守格林的三分，這也導致他無法守AD的
灌籃
Green quietly punked Adebayo again a bit later, and just as before, the move
was subtle. Bam winds up in the corner on Green, and as Davis drives, Green
gives Adebayo a nice little tap on the back, as if to say "don't worry big
fella, I'm right here, you can leave me alone and creep towards the basket."
It buys him a split second of freedom to launch the 3.
格林之後又默默的搞了阿爹一次，就跟之後一樣，動作非常的細微。阿爹在角落守著格林
，戴維斯準備要切，格林到阿爹的背後拍了一下，彷彿在跟阿爹說："別擔心啦～我就在
這裡，你可以不用管我，專心的往籃框看就好了"，之後他就回到角落得到了空檔三分的
機會
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BowedDistantHornbill-mobile.mp4
Adebayo was a Second-Team All-Defense forward this season. Few wings have
gotten the better of him. Green did in the second quarter of Game 4 through
little more than veteran guile. He has plenty of that on defense as well.
阿爹是防守第二隊，很少有人防守比他好，但格林在第二節卻很多詭計騙了他。除了進攻
，在防守上也有很多招式。
His lightning-quick, ambidextrous hands
他的手非常快，左右雙撇子
Green revealed in an interview during his rookie year that he is
ambidextrous, but nobody paid it much mind because he barely dribbles. Where
it has come into play, though, is on defense. Green is not just comfortable
swiping with either hand, but can do so at almost any angle. One of his Game
4 steals came as he chased Herro, reached around his body and poked the ball
out from behind with his right hand for the two easiest points of the night.
格林菜鳥時期曾經說他是雙撇子，但沒有人注意到它因為他幾乎都不運球。但在防守的時
候，卻可以看到他的使用。格林不僅可以舒適的左右換手，更可以在任何的角度這樣做。
在他追著英雄的時候，他用他的右手把球給拍掉，輕鬆得到兩分。
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KeyVengefulFawn-mobile.mp4
He very nearly came up with another steal from behind, this time with his
left hand while side-shuffling over a screen.
他幾乎又再抄到一球，這次他利用繞過單擋的時候，用了他的左手撥掉球
Green has lost a step with age and a hip injury has nagged him during the
postseason, but he remains a valuable defender in large part because of how
he can use his length. Green tied for the Laker lead in deflections per game
during the regular season, and even if he gets beaten off of the dribble more
than he used to, he still affects jump-shooters even after chasing them
around the court.
格林雖然因為年紀和受傷失去了一點速度，他然後是非常有價值的防守，因為他有長度。
格林每場比賽把球偏移的數量是湖人最多，就算他被過了，他也常常追著射手，並且影響
他們的投射
It speaks to one of Green's best traits, something that has shown up in all
of these clips: his spatial awareness. Green uses and manipulates his
position on the court as well as practically any off-ball player in
basketball, and he does it on both sides of the ball. It is part of what sets
him apart from his more traditional 3-and-D contemporaries. He doesn't need
to hit his 3's to provide value.
格林最棒的特色就是他的空間感，以上影片所展示的進攻和防守都來自於此。所以即使他
投不進三分，他仍然比傳統的3D球員有價值
In a sense, that could be viewed as the mantra for this entire Laker team.
They are about to win a championship in the highest-volume 3-point shooting
season of all time despite taking the 23rd-most 3-pointers per game in
basketball. Their stars drive that contrarian approach, but their role
players support it, perhaps none more so than Green, the shooter that doesn't
need to shoot.
在NBA史上三分最多的球季，儘管湖人的三分投射量聯盟第23名，但他們快要拿到冠軍了
。他們的球星違反而聯盟的趨勢，但他們的角色球員支持著它，或許沒有人做的比格林更
多，一個不需要射的射手。
心得：
其實DG真的是在很多細節做得很好
雖然有投射不穩/上籃放槍/體能衰退的問題，但是他是很好的角色球員
以湖人的現狀來說，其實像他這種球員幾乎算是絕配了
雖然我還是希望他趕快變回聖堂......

G4說真的還行啦，但也不到聖光

他防守細節做的很好 但進攻很可惜就是鐵 加上身上多處傷痛很拼了

認同

每次說DG跑位跟防守還在, 都被說是在護航耶, 還以為這篇會被噓成X lol

G4真的打的很ok了DG最可惜的真的是超級會跑空檔，但是投不進

我還是看不懂為什麼這樣值1500萬，以不進攻的角色球員而言這根本頂薪了吧。

因為沒人可以簽了 都被快艇搶走後面不是都是綜藝團咖 JR 魔獸 服務生 RR

問題本來就不大 真的就是有點貴而已 不如那些錢給豆

靈氣逼人

1500萬那時最適的人選只剩DG了，看球隊簽人，不能只看錢和表現，要看當下時空整體有沒有其他選擇

簽人真的要看當時時空背景，有時候不拉高一點根本也簽不到當時一些好用年輕3D，例如新人王，都開季前兩天全簽完了

當時是Danny Green 等湖人，否則他就要去獨行俠了客觀來說湖人的報價是優於獨行俠的 36M/3Y，不過當時若是Green 沒加入湖人所代表的涵意是 Kawhi Leonard 加入了湖人

Kawhi = Green + KCP + McGee + Cousins然後Cousins受傷變成了Dwight，就這樣思考好了 XD

簽他真的是逼不得已啊，他也沒有多爛啊...就是貴了點，只是在季初也沒其他選擇了，DG也知道自己對LAKERS的吸引力還在，湖人需要他，價錢自然拉高罷了

拿到冠軍後1500萬就值得了

就沒有更好的選擇

DG骰歸骰，但說真的，他的三分大空檔機會莫名的多

哪有什麼逼不得已.....

叫green的宿命？

簽DG的時候還沒到逼不得已啦 當初他就跟KL說好一人一隊只是沒想到DG退化這麼快 空檔完全投不進 逼不得已是KL這王八蛋一直拖一直拖 確定不來時已經沒啥人了

這叫"備案"，甚麼逼不得已....Pelinka的備案就是Green + KCP，可能再加上AB這樣三個人合力吃下Kawhi一尊超巨可能帶來的績效

DG很會跑位 v.s DG對手放投

即使季後賽命中率比較低 我覺得不能否定整個賽季的表現

可惜季後賽少一個AB的防守

角色球員只要合同不長，溢點價就關系不太大其實Green主要是總決賽大暴投（可能有傷病影響），不然前三輪36%的命中率也算不錯了連兩年總冠軍的教練都不是傻子啦XD

DG不就是等湖人PLAB B,你那個時間沒更好的選擇拉...更好的選擇你也要出的起至少目前來看,今年很成功就是,希望穩穩拿下總冠就好

差點連下限都填不了，你還要拜託他拿1500 XD

PLAN B 打錯了XD

另一方面湖人如果沒有先跟他談1500 他可能就不等去領獨的1200了

因為很多人對聖堂的期待是 他在馬刺時期的投射水準啊再想到2016年JR季後賽三分接近5成 聖堂被罵真的剛好而已

幫回顧一下，DG簽下都7/6了的樣子，開市是6/30

在馬刺季後賽3分也是有一年沒一年的只能看未來有沒有機會骰到6了..

認真看了一下馬刺時期跟湖人的投籃狀態 他在湖人明顯對不上進攻節奏 出手感覺都不太對另外體能的衰退導致他投籃不像以前一樣輕鬆

他跑位好，所以看到空檔多

Green也是身體跟不上頭腦的範例吧XD快攻結果不會上籃、大空檔結果投不進XDDDD

他的投籃屬於two-motion 本來就比較吃下盤力量，再者他非常依靠手腕的彈性出手 因此只要節奏不對就不會進

DG如果明天可以投進兩顆就值了，拜託

DG明天能繼續保持Final以來的高+-就夠了 贏球就好 XD

他在馬刺後期也是投不進被某些刺迷嫌得很慘阿

其實是他自己的問題，不論是從「數據」上來看，或是他「個人訪談」中所表示，他比較習慣pull up jumper而不是wide open他說wide open他覺得壓力比較大

wide open 反而不準 XD

叫他自己帶人型立牌上場

有人守超準所以大家乾脆不鳥他了

如果能簽新人王當然優先呀，可是plan BCDE都秒消失

可愛戰術GET

明天3分打鐵0-4 但是正負值+30 也是很ok的他不會投wide open但是缺超級會跑出大空檔，這技能樹真的點太歪了lol

希望DG明天三分骰六 爆發一場贏球就值了..

別說到六了，到四估計都能贏了XD

這個季後賽wide open命中率 34.1% ，一般open shot 則是37%以上數據是三分球的部分

只比傷前蘿蔔好些蘿蔔至少還能底線吃餅

大概是他以前的跑位能力在馬刺剛好能跑出小空擋但搭上LBJ後空擋就變得大到不習慣...

DG很ok 防守好 就是傷勢影響了投籃 但整體數據也沒多差

只要你懂綠、綠就會幫你！

Danny Green加油

骰到六就贏了 是不是...

出手一直猶豫就輸了

DG的防守跟跑位是有價值的