Re: [閒聊] 希格斯的技術性引爆

作者: fkc (Mr. 男子漢)   2017-01-18 14:43:56
這個禮拜沒看到什麼相關的討論
而Meddler大約兩個禮拜前在官網發表的這篇
《Current Thoughts on Marksmen 》 https://goo.gl/3xtkR2
以下是部分內容的節錄:
We’ve seen quite a bit of feedback that marksmen feel weak in bot lane,
lacking power and agency. Thoughts on that below, along with some things we
need to look into further.
團隊已經收到許多人表示,近期下路射手感到軟弱、無力、缺乏影響能力......
決定開始著手處理以下幾個方向:
We believe that the biggest priority right now is addressing jungler
dominance, with junglers able to gank more often, and more successfully, than
appropriate. Bot lane’s particularly targeted by those ganks and we think
that’s a significant part of current frustration with marksman agency/power.
-> We’ll need to reduce jungler power beyond just the XP tweaking in 7.1.
Not sure how exactly yet (working on that this week and next).
下路射手會過得這麼悲慘的原因是由於打野(junglers)過太爽了
因為打野的影響力提升,可以頻繁/有效的Gank下路,導致下路難受想哭。
所以要降低野區的經驗值。
Courage of the Colossus is still too strong. That contributes to some
characters feeling unkillable for marksmen. Some of those champs are also too
strong in general as well (hi Poppy).
-> We’ll be nerfing Courage of the Colossus. Investigating right now whether
that’ll be nerfs to the best case scenarios primarily or more general nerfs.
再來就是巨人勇氣太OP了,射手射到手軟好像都射不死
有些英雄更是過強了(波比)
所以要削弱巨人勇氣。
At least a couple of individual marksmen need buffs. Lucian’s the biggest
example by a large margin, having been hit really hard by the pre-season
changes.
-> We’ve got Lucian and Draven buffs in 7.1 and are assessing other
candidates for 7.2 or 7.3 (e.g. potentially Ashe).
AD的調整部分,7.1改了路西恩跟達瑞文,7.2、7.3可能會艾希。
We’d like to support non Marksmen as options bot lane if the gameplay
created is healthy. We’ve long felt it would be good for the game for a
variety of lane setups to be viable and the farming position bot lane’s been
a particularly static one. Right now Ziggs is the only non marksman getting
played there a meaningful amount (around the same play rate as Corki and
Tristana). So far his impact on the lane seems reasonable, with a range of
ways to respond to it and an appropriate power level.
-> We’ll be keeping a really close eye on Ziggs bot lane. Assuming it stays
healthy and interesting it’s something we’d want to support if it looks
like a viable thing.
團隊對於下路希格斯是持正向態度的
畢竟下路的角色類型配置(射手+輔助)維持很長一段時間,
發生改變都是好的,只要遊戲是呈現健平衡/有趣的方式發展
會持續密切觀察希格斯下路。
We want marksmen to be excellent choices bot lane. We’d like to see other
classes there at least a bit, but don’t want to see them push marksman out
or overshadow them at their core strengths. If they’re not really effective
picks bot lane that’s something we’ll address quickly.
團隊還是希望射手是下路的好選擇;也希望更多英雄都能出現在下路
But 人生中就是會多了這麼一個 But
團隊不希望射手從下路被移除
倘若真的發生的話,會盡速去修復這個問題。
Some other things we’re looking at:
General power level and agency of all positions in the game, bot in
particular (both marksman and support).
Whether marksmen power curves are appropriately tuned (e.g. Should we offer
more mid game power rather than late game power for some champs/builds?)
Whether we’re offering the appropriate tools to kill really tanky champs as
a marksmen, something that should generally be a strength relative to other
classes.
What sort of changes we might need to make to the item system to reduce tanky
champions from getting too much damage or some damaging champions from
getting too tanky to deal with for their damage.
其他團隊運作的方向:
1. 調整角色的成長曲線,加強射手+輔助於遊戲中期的能力
2. 給射手提供幹掉坦克的工具
3. 改善道具,讓坦克角的傷害不要這麼高、讓傷害角坦度不要麼高
結論
R社把射手的悲情處境歸咎於 1)打野過太爽了,2)巨人勇氣太OP
前者罪該萬死,後者導致團戰中射手心裡苦
所以先砍將狗這他媽的小王八蛋,其他路先削個巨人勇氣再看看。(刺客歡呼!)
射手本身的調整,先給兩隻角色/裝備Buff,謝主隆恩。
而那些真心覺得下路希格斯很難對線的射手
R社目前態度很明顯"Learn to play,plz."
甚至希望更多妖魔鬼怪會開始進駐下路(直到射手絕種之前......)
個人想法
10Ban也許可以舒緩SOLO/FLEX QUEUE下路AD被各種蹂躪的處境......吧
再者,照R社的邏輯,雙人線因為經驗分享而等級過低
導致中期影響力不足、被其他路強灌導致崩線
其實改動雙人路的經驗分配,或者改一個經驗值天賦就好了
希格斯再去動技能,OP.GG的頭像可能也要被上緞帶了
『啊......這廢文又浪費你兩分鐘的人生了嗎?』
『賺、賺、賺』
_(°ω°」 ∠)_
作者: kuojames2580 (幹幹幹幹幹)   2017-01-18 14:48:00
將狗最好砍到跟s2一樣慘 將狗就是欠砍
作者: nightryss437 (青青)   2017-01-18 15:59:00
因為比賽經濟會留給AD,打坦才打得動,SOLOQ誰管你

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