Zach Greinke是聰明的投手嗎?

作者: abc12812   2012-05-27 19:44:51
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I watched him pitch to the D-Backs tonight. If I didn’t know it was Greinke,
I would have thought that it was a rookie “thrower” who had no idea how to
pitch - for several reasons.
我看了他今天的比賽 要不是我知道他是Greinke 我還以為是哪個不懂投球的菜鳥丟球手呢
Anyway, there were runners on first and second and no outs in the 3rd inning
I think and the pitcher up. The pitcher was trying to bunt. Greinke started
him off with 3 straight curve balls, two of which missed the zone, followed
by 3 change ups. What the heck? He went to a 3-2 count and finally got him
out (on a sac bunt I think). I cannot imagine why he would throw a pitcher
trying to bunt any curve balls or change ups, let alone 6 straight! Breaking
pitches are typically the easiest to bunt and of course the last thing in the
world you want to do when a pitcher is trying to bunt is to walk him.
搞屁阿 投手擺明要觸擊 還投了一堆變化球搞成滿球數是在幹嘛?
The other thing was that he never, ever elevated his fastball, especially
when he needed a strikeout, which was often in this game. With a 96 mph 4
seamer, you simply have to elevate that pitch once in a while (or a lot). He
simply refused to do it. Whenever he needed a strikeout, he always went with
the breaking pitch low and away. It got to the point where everyone in the
world knew he was going to throw it. It worked in the first inning as he got
several of the D-Backs to chase the breaking pitch, but after one time
through the order, they were often spitting at the low off-speed pitches and
hammering the elevated ones. It was obvious that they knew what was coming.
Again, he refused to use any of his fastballs as an alternative “out pitch.”
然後他從來都不想丟高的快速球 特別是在需要三振的時候
他總是投外角低變化球 投到全世界都知道他就是要外角低
第一局是有用啦 但接下來打者就學乖放過低球 攻擊掉不下來的變化球了
然後 他還是不想用快速球來"對決"
There were two terrible sequences (among many bad ones) that I noticed. One
was to GoldSchmidt, I think, in the third inning (I think) with runners on
first and second and no outs. He went to 3-2 and threw him an off speed pitch
for ball 4. As many of you know, I do not generally believe that there is
only “one pitch” to throw in any given situation - game theory dictates
that you must mix up your pitches, even if you are going to throw one
particular pitch 80 or 90% of the time - but with no outs, you pretty much
have to throw a pitch that is not going to walk the batter. And he did not
seem to have much command of his off-speed pitches (who does typically?).
The other thing about that sequence to Goldschmidt was that in the first
inning he struck him out with a slider in the dirt. He kept trying to do it
again in the 3rd, but it was obvious (to me at least) that he learned his
lesson and was not going to swing at that pitch, which he didn’t, yet
Greinke kept throwing it.
對決Goldschmidt的時候 第一次用挖地瓜滑球騙到三振
但第二次對決 Goldschmidt明顯已經學乖不去追地瓜了
但Greinke還是很堅持一定要挖地瓜滑球 搞到最後變保送
The worst pitch of the game for him was when there were 2 runners on, one on
third, and McDonald, the worst hitter in the lineup (but a veteran), had 2
strikes on him after swinging at 2 off-speed pitches in the dirt. I turned to
my friend and said, “The whole game, he has refused to elevate a fastball in
a 2 strike count. He has always gone with the slider. I think McDonald knows
that. If he accidentally elevates one, he is going to get a good swing at it.

Sure enough he hung an 0-2 slider and the light hitting McDonald hit one out.
然後對上最爛的打者McDonald 先是連投了兩個挖地瓜滑球騙到兩個揮空
我轉頭對朋友說"全場他都拒絕在二好的時候用高速球對決 一定要用滑球吊
我想麥當勞知道這點 要是他不小心把滑球投高就災系阿"
然後就是一顆投高的滑球被麥當勞肛出場外
As I said, the whole game that Greinke was pitching, he looked ridiculously
predictable to me. He must not be, given that he has been so successful in
his career, but watching him pitch tonight, especially the weird sliders and
change ups to the pitcher trying to bunt, made be think that this guy is not
all that bright in the pitching department.
就像我說的 他的配球實在太好猜了 以他成績不應該這麼好預測才對
但看了他今天的表現 或許他在投球技巧上其實沒那麼聰明?
What say you fans who have followed his career?
大家說呢?
作者: ultratimes   2012-05-27 19:46:00
這篇評論者是誰啊?
作者: uchiyama (Run, dont walk)   2012-05-27 19:48:00
要不要先看看他季初對小熊被打爆那場配球是怎樣再來說?
作者: Ryushuier (鍵盤農夫流水兒)   2012-05-27 19:49:00
不是捕手指導的嗎
作者: pikachu123 (pika)   2012-05-27 19:56:00
大概是到客場打球 心靈又潰堤了
作者: sky419012 (fly)   2012-05-27 20:14:00
他滑球是slurve嗎?
作者: msn12345679 (吼~~)   2012-05-27 20:59:00
很嘴的球員 釀酒人專出這種貨色
作者: cd12631 (<(◥█◤△◥█◤)>)   2012-05-27 21:02:00
Z~~加油
作者: abc12812   2012-05-27 21:13:00
這篇評論者是mgl阿 沒聽過他名號的 知道他是UZR的發明人
作者: abc12812   2012-05-27 21:14:00
就可以了
作者: olin7745 (Olin)   2012-05-27 21:16:00
他只是現在在釀酒人投球,是皇家出產的^_^。
作者: The5F (5F)   2012-05-27 21:17:00
配球是捕手配的吧
作者: onime0704 (おにめ)   2012-05-27 21:19:00
但投手可以搖頭不要。
作者: ImpactBlue (ImpactBlue)   2012-05-27 21:20:00
投手有權否定捕手暗號
作者: ImpactBlue (ImpactBlue)   2012-05-27 21:22:00
配球太過鑽牛角尖的話 該說擇善固執還是不聰明??
作者: kauw (kauw)   2012-05-27 21:41:00
那度HARPER連配五個曲球怎麼辦?
作者: ImpactBlue (ImpactBlue)   2012-05-27 21:50:00
配球好或壞 有一部份還是結果論 真的很難評斷
作者: god2 (乙炔)   2012-05-27 22:34:00
那他先前成績好的時候是怎樣?被換腦???
作者: ZachGreinke (40週年)   2012-05-27 22:37:00
ZacK Greinke~
作者: afulet (1歲就很帥)   2012-05-27 23:34:00
心靈崩潰症 改善方式:交易到30隊都待過 不知道有沒有用
作者: ShadowMask (卡通頻道台配真的很棒)   2012-05-27 23:35:00
一年換一隊也要打30年....
作者: Crisis (危機)   2012-05-27 23:46:00
msn12345679是不是踩到線了? 要批評也不查清楚
作者: mittermeyer (Anybody Anytime!)   2012-05-28 00:50:00
Greinke丟2.1IP被敲10H 連投手都敲安打 單純的核爆
作者: mittermeyer (Anybody Anytime!)   2012-05-28 00:51:00
保送狀況不好的 被手套人敲HR 我是覺得沒意義...
作者: mittermeyer (Anybody Anytime!)   2012-05-28 00:52:00
我是說挑幾個人鞭他不該爆得這麼徹底 沒啥意義
作者: dickyman (屌面人)   2012-05-28 01:17:00
配球儘量不要在對決時搞把握性低的球種 至於會不會被打安打 很大成分還是打者的能力
作者: lucky360 (加摩爾會保護大家的)   2012-05-28 12:32:00
賽揚獎名投不需要別人教他怎麼投球好嗎..
作者: jerriver3 (馬鳴)   2012-05-28 16:58:00
Zito表示:
作者: otaku5566 (オタク56)   2012-05-29 13:13:00
還沒桶嗎

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