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由鄉民代表August7747 對戰 海盜PSU總監jonnyGURU
原留言PO August7747
I am sorry that I wrote some incorrect massage. I should say Taiwanese brand
, not factory.
But when you say Great Wall is a tier one. Please, do not let Chinese PC DIY
player know that... they will laugh on this. I am talking about quality, not
the factory scale.
Especially Corsair ax series PSU still made by Seasonic, the company which
you said not Tier 1.
And you should watch more PSU test video on youtube and bilibili. Talk with
some PC DIY player. To know why they don't like Great wall products.
And if like what you said, Long wall is a Tier 1 company . How about this,
let the Corsair ax series PSU made by Long wall in the future. To see how the
market response .
抱歉我有些訊息傳達錯誤。我應該說台灣品牌而非台灣工廠。
但你說長城是T1。請不要讓中國PC DIY玩家知道，他們會笑你。我是講品質而不是工廠
規模。
尤其是海盜AX系列還是海韻代工，那家妳說不是T1的海韻
你應該要在youtube和bilibili看多一點PSU測試影片。和PC DIY玩家聊聊。就會知道為什
麼他們不喜歡長城產品。而且如果如你所說，長城是T1公司。那不如這樣吧，讓AX系列
給長城代工。看市場會如何評價。
回應
Well, as you may or may not know, I've been reviewing power supplies since
before reviewing power supplies was a thing (people were afraid to open them
up and didn't have the equipment to test them properly). I've also been to
the Great Wall factory many times and have seen much of what they do build.
Do they build cheap stuff? Yes. Do they build top of the line water cooled
Titanium server PSUs? Yes.
I HAVE seen the cheaper Great Wall stuff. I have one of their cheapest PSUs
sitting on my desk. It came out of one of those I-cafe PCs. But you know why
they made it? Because that's what the customer wanted.
All of the bigger tier one factories do the full gamut of products. Including
Delta, Chicony, etc. They have many factory lines that they have to keep
moving or they lose money. Smaller OEMs actually don't have this problem
because they're almost always building at capacity, but they can never grow
to even 1/10th the revenue of the larger companies.
Great Wall is definitely capable of building an AX product. Heck.. they could
do an AXi product. But it's not always about who CAN build what. It's about
supply chain, maintaining relationships... so much more.
And then there is the "fan boy effect". AX has always been Seasonic. Even
though HXi and AXi are better, there are people that will buy AX just because
it's made by Seasonic and has the Corsair branding. Very sad. But perception
is reality when people don't know "how the sausage is made".
ㄜ，你可能知道也可能不知道，我從PSU評測還是個東西以前就開始做PSU評測了 (當時大
家普遍不敢打開PSU，而且也沒有適當的儀器) 而且我也去過長城工廠很多次，也看過很
多他們的產品。
他們有沒有製造便宜貨呢? 當然。他們有沒有製造頂尖水冷鈦金伺服器PSU呢? 也有
我確實看過長城便宜貨。在我的桌上有一個他們最便宜的PSU之一，那是來自網咖的一個
PSU。但你知道為什麼他們要做嗎?因為那是客人要的
所有大型T1工廠都提供各種等級的產品。包括台達、群光等。他們有很多必須要隨時保持
運轉的生產線不然的話他們就會賠錢。小型OEM普遍沒有這個問題，因為他們幾乎永遠在
滿載情況下作業，但他們的收益也永遠不可能達到大型廠商的1/10。
長城絕對有能力製作AX系列的PSU。甚至AXi系列都沒有問題。但並不是永遠只在乎誰可以
製造。而是和供應鏈、保持良好關係甚至更多因素都有關
再來就是「粉絲效應」，AX一直是海運代工。即使AXi和HXi比較好，但有些購買AX的人只
是因為他是海韻代工而且有海盜船品牌就購買。很遺憾。但如果人們不知道「香腸是如何
製作」的話，那也只能靠感覺了。
鄉民二號 ragnarokboy
interesting. what about considering AX series be manufactured by Great Wall,
the "Tier 1" company, instead of by Seasonic. ;)
有趣，那要不要考慮讓所謂T1的長城做AX，而不是靠海韻
回應
Because AX is traditionally Seasonic. Has been since day one. But the HXi is
by far the better PSU aside from overall efficiency.
When Corsair decided to re-vamp the AX, it was based on Seasonic telling us
that they got funding from the Taiwan government to build a factory in Taiwan
to build PSUs. We got a tour of the building, the factory floor, etc. We went
a whole year designing the new AX, while the factory in Taiwan was working
out higher volume parts like the TFX PSU and some of their OEM products. By
the time we were ready to go, Seasonic decided it could not be profitable to
build in Taiwan. Corsair was already knee deep in the new AX project with
manpower, tooling costs, NRE... so they agreed to just let them build it in
China instead so we could move forward.
因為AX一直以來都是海韻代工。從第一天開始就是。但HXi除了整體效率以外都是一顆好
很多的PSU
當年海盜船打算重製AX時，是因為海韻告訴我們他們打算在台灣建PSU廠而且還得到一些台
灣政府的補助。我們到那棟建築物參觀過，廠房各樓層等...我們花了一整年的時間設計新
的AX，而那時台灣廠負責生產有更大量需求的零件像是TFX PSU還其他OEM的產品。當我們
完成AX設計的時候，海韻卻說在台灣廠房生產無法賺錢。但海盜船已經在新AX上面投資太
多人力、工具花費、一次性工程費用。所以只能同意讓AX在中國製造才能繼續向前進
三號鄉民 asdkj1740 (這看起來比較像外國人) 回應總監說台灣沒工廠的事情
it is said that evga now goes for fsp instead of superflower for its
supernova series because of the trade tariff. i thought fsp had some factory
in taiwan. thanks for the info!
有人說evga Supernova 系列從全漢改成振華代工是因為關稅問題。我以為全漢在台灣
有一些工廠。感謝資訊
回復
It's possible that they're assembling SKD (semi-knock-down) kits made in
China in a facility in Taiwan so they can put "made in Taiwan" on the label
to avoid tariffs. But they severed the Superflower relationship well before
tariffs came into play.
很可能是他們在台灣廠組裝半散料裝的東西以在最後產品貼上Made in Taiwan的標籤來
躲避關稅。但他們和振華的關係原在關稅問題前就達成共識了
搬運工註:
鄉民一號嗆PSU評測這件事 戰力有點薄弱 XD
後面海韻有掛有掛 我喜歡