Re: [討論] gamepress對超夢的分析

作者: abless (凜之憶)   2017-08-17 23:50:30
※ 引述《oldxeng (Someone call for the do)》之銘言:
: https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/countering-mewtwo-and-mewtwos-place-meta
: 幫板友稍整理一下,當然不見得是完全正確,還是有討論的空間
英文不好但想練習一下,委屈大家的雙眼了。
Introduction 簡介
On August 14th, Niantic released Mewtwo as a raid boss for the Pokemon Stadium
event in Yokohama, Japan. It was revealed that Mewtwo would be available
through Pokemon GO's new exclusive raid system. The day foretold has come;
Mewtwo is now obtainable in Pokemon GO.
8月14日這天,人們終於想起了被他們支配的恐懼...不是,任天堂以Raid Boss的形式將
超夢於橫濱的寶可夢道館活動中釋出,這表示超夢將來是可能以Raid的方式取得,那
天也是可預見的因為有人在橫濱開超夢圖鑑啦!
With its arrival, Trainers are asking many questions about how to counter
Mewtwo and Mewtwo’s use as an attacker. Using our best mathematical
understanding of gym AI, simulated matchup data, and real world analysis,
we here at GamePress believe we have the answers players are looking for! One
thing we can say for certain, with Mewtwo’s arrival the metagame will never
be the same again.
隨著這件事的到來,小智們都想知道怎麼對抗超夢還有如何使用超夢作為攻擊寶可夢,利
用我們對道館AI的了解、模擬戰鬥數據還有實際的分析,Gamepress相信自己有玩家期待
的答案,有一件事是確定的,隨著超夢的到來,當今meta將不再相同(廢話?)。
: 小招
: 好打的(easy mode) 精神利刃
: 困難版(hard mode) 念力
Optimal Movesets: Confusion or Psycho Cut + Shadow Ball
Great Movesets: Confusion or Psycho Cut + Focus Blast
理想的攻擊招:念力/幻象斬 + 影子球
優秀的攻擊招:念力/幻象斬 + 真氣彈
Confusion is on par with Psycho Cut for quick moves; the former offers higher
DPS and the latter offers faster energy gains and easier dodgability.
念力和幻象斬是差不多的小招,前者提供較高的DPS而後者集氣較快較易閃躲。
Shadow Ball is clearly superior to Psychic. Despite lacking STAB, its base
power is similar to Psychic for half the energy cost and goes resisted by only
2 types of Pokemon (Normal and Dark). Shadow Ball does as well as Psychic
against Fighting and Poison-types while also giving Mewtwo an edge over other
Psychic-type Pokemon.
影子球(Shadow Ball)顯著優於幻象術(Psychic),儘管缺少額外加乘(STAB),他的基礎
威力在等同於幻象術的狀況下,僅需消耗一半能量而且僅被暗系及一般系寶可夢減傷,在
抵抗格鬥型和毒型寶可夢上有其優越之處。
Focus Blast is a viable, alternative option for countering Normal-type Pokemon
such as Blissey and Snorlax. Its power rivals that of Machamp.
真氣彈在對抗一般系寶可夢是可用的選擇,例如幸福蛋或卡比獸,威力相當於怪力。
Hyper Beam is definitely Mewtwo’s worst charge move. TM if possible.
破壞死光是最悲劇的大招,遇到拜託使用招式機。
Mewtwo as an Attacker 將超夢作為攻擊者
Mewtwo was originally proffered to top all offense charts and trivialize the
use of any other attacker in the game. Niantic suddenly decreasing all of its
stats by 9% put a sharp end to that. Rather than breaking the game, Mewtwo
weighs heavily upon it.
超夢原本是所有攻擊圖表上的首選,任天堂終於削減了他的能力值約9%,這樣做總比摧毀
遊戲來得好。
While Mewtwo is still a top neutral DPS option with power rivaling that of
Dragonite, it is by no means “broken.” Like Dragonite, Mewtwo will excel
in many matchups but will often fall short of more optimized counters. However,
unlike Dragonite, Mewtwo’s Psychic, Ghost, and Fighting-type attacks offer
it a variety of optimal matchups.
當超夢仍擁有最佳的(純)DPS傷害,如同快龍,可參與諸多比賽且表現優秀,也時常遇到對
手,但不像快龍,超夢幻系、幽靈系、格鬥系的招式讓他可以應付各種對戰。
Mewtwo’s powerful Psychic-type quick moves helps out against Poison and
Fighting-type raid bosses, countering them harder than they ever have been
before. Mewtwo’s resistance to Psychic-type attacks in concert with Shadow
Ball’s raw power make Psychic-type raid bosses bend the knee to their new
Mewtwo king. Even the mighty Blissey quivers before Mewtwo’s power as Mewtwo
resists Blissey’s paltry Zen Headbutts while obliterating it at near Machamp
speeds with Focus Blast. Needless to say, there is now
a meta before Mewtwo and a meta after Mewtwo.
超夢充滿威力的幻系小招有助於抵抗毒和格鬥系BOSS,讓他們嚐到前所未有的康特,超夢
對幻系攻擊的減傷和影子球的純粹威力也讓幻系BOSS屈膝,即便強大無底的幸福蛋也只能
在牆角發抖哭泣,別說啦現在是超夢的META啦!
: 遇到念力的話派玻璃大砲(螳螂,耿鬼...) 可能會變成堆屍了...
: 最強打手 班吉拉
: 小招要咬,大招咬碎或尖石都可以
: 真氣彈超夢
: 當你有一隻很強的班吉拉,但是電腦沒幫忙選的話,超夢大招可能就是真氣彈了
: 作者建議派快龍,暴鯉龍(小招咬),或超夢...XDDDDD
: 如果是精神利刃+真氣彈可以派耿鬼
: 最坦的話是洛奇亞,不過因為攻擊不強,大招建議神鳥猛擊。
: 舔卡比還可以(decent option)
: 反正也不知道什麼時候會出,大家當做閒聊就好了...
Countering Mewtwo 康特超夢
Compared to previous legendary raid bosses, Mewtwo’s movesets will heavily
influence the raiders’ experience. experience. Generally speaking, Mewtwo's
difficulty depends on which fast move it has.
相較於之前的傳說BOSS,超夢的招式組合根本是破壞遊戲體驗,總的來說,難度將取決於
超夢的小招是什麼~
Psycho Cut’s low base power will put Mewtwo on “easy mode” and place greater
emphasis on resisting Mewtwo’s charge moves. Confusion on the other hand will
put Mewtwo on “hard mode” and emphasize the need to resist Psychic-type
damage. In fact, Confusion Mewtwo is so powerful that it calls the viability o
f “Glass Cannon” counters (such as Gengar) into question, makes “Good”
counters (such as Scizor) look squishy, and may bring “Tank” options (such as
Lugia) to the field for general use rather
than an anchoring 6th slot Pokemon.
幻象斬有較低的基傷,這樣的超夢比較好打,影響他的大招,念力讓超夢比較難打,更強
調玩家寶可夢對幻系傷害的減傷,這樣的超夢非常強大讓耿鬼和巨鉗螳螂被碾壓,也會讓
洛基亞等比較坦的寶可夢成為一般選擇。
All things considered, Tyranitar comes in as the #1 counter to most Mewtwo
movesets. Tyranitar’s Dark-typing allows it to doubly resist Mewtwo’s Psychic
-type attacks while putting a STAB 1.2x multiplier behind its super effective
Dark-type attacks. Not only that, but Tyranitar’s dual typing also resists
both Mewtwo’s Shadow Ball and Hyper Beam. It is worth noting that both Stone
Edge and Crunch are equally viable as charge moves for Tyranitar. Despite
dealing neutral damage, Crunch is weak enough
where the gap between the two moves is relatively small. The main selling
point with Tyranitar is Bite.
考慮到以上狀況,班吉拉變成頭號康特角,身為暗系的他雙抗超夢的幻系攻擊,不僅如此
,他的雙重種類也可以抵抗影子球和破壞死光,所以尖石攻擊和Crunch都是相當好的選擇
,兩者差距十分渺小,重點還是班吉拉的咬!
Focus Blast Mewtwo 超夢 feat. 真氣斬
Despite Tyranitar’s merits, Mewtwo may be carrying the charge move Focus Blast
, which will take Tyranitar’s hit points from Hero to Zero in a matter of
seconds. Fortunately, you may be able to “tell” if Mewtwo is carrying Focus
Blast from looking at your auto-selected line up. If Tyranitar is
auto-selected, you are likely facing a Mewtwo with Psychic, Shadow Ball, or
Hyper Beam as its charge move. If Tyranitar is nowhere to be seen, you either
forgot to revive yours or Mewtwo is packing Focus Blast.
儘管有老班救星,超夢仍有真氣斬可以痛擊班吉拉(From Hero to Zero),幸運的是你可能
可以從電腦選擇的對戰寶可夢中分辨真氣斬超夢,如果電腦有選擇班吉拉作為對戰寶可夢
,你極有可能對戰到大招是幻象斬、破壞死光或影子球的超夢,如果沒看到,可能就是中
獎了。
If Mewtwo is carrying Focus Blast, then Dragonite, Bite Gyarados, and Mewtwo
itself take the spotlight as Mewtwo’s best counters. If a Focus Blast Mewtwo
has Psycho Cut as its quick move, Gengar downright dominates the fight with its
high DPS, super effective, STAB attacks Shadow Claw, Hex, and Shadow Ball. As
a tanky 6th slot option, against Focus Blast, no Pokemon will stay in the
fight longer than Lugia; just make sure it carries Sky Attack to keep its DPS
relevant!
如果超夢feat真氣斬,那快龍、小招為咬的保麗龍,和超夢他本身(嗯講得好像已經抓到
一樣),重新回到聚光燈下作為其康特,如果超夢小招是幻象斬,耿鬼是有宰治力的,洛
奇亞在第六順位是最佳選擇,記得要帶天空攻擊(SKY ATTACK)唷!
All this said, Tyranitar is still a very potent option against Focus Blast
Mewtwo! While Focus Blast will likely take Tyranitar out in one hit, Focus
Blast is still just a one bar charge move and will likely make few appearances
in the fight. Tyranitar’s high DPS and powerful resistance to all of Mewtwo’
s quick moves still makes it a better option that most others against Mewtwo.
Just don’t place all your bets on it.
講那麼多(喝口水),班吉拉仍是強而有力的選擇,即便真氣斬可能一招KO老班,一格招
在一次戰鬥中出現的次數有限,而班吉拉高DPS和對所有超夢小招的抵抗力仍讓他成為對
戰超夢的最佳選擇,只是不要把所有雞蛋都放在班吉拉的籃子裡...
Other Options 其他選擇
Houndoom, Pinsir, and Scizor all feature as generally good, all around options
against Mewtwo. While they’re a bit more on the low survivability side
against Confusion, their DPS and performance against Psycho Cut cannot be
ignored.
黑魯嘉、大甲和巨鉗螳螂很棒,雖然在念力的攻擊下可能活不久,但他們的DPS和對幻象
斬的表現不容忽視。
After them a wide variety of Pokemon lurk as sub-optimal counters to Mewtwo,
including but not limited to: Alakazam, Flareon, Moltres, Zapdos, Exeggutor,
Vaporeon, Arcanine, Sneasel, Typhlosion, and Umbreon. At this point,
eyebrow-raising options such as Crobat, Muk, and Heracross hit the scene. If
you find yourself reaching this low in the barrel, you may be better off with
an underleveled Tyranitar.
在他們之後有大量的第二選擇,胡地、火精、火鳥、傘店、耶誕樹、水精、火狗、狃拉、
火爆獸、月精靈,然後叉字蝠、臭臭泥、赫拉克羅斯。
As a final note, Snorlax and Blissey both come up as tankier, low DPS options
against Mewtwo. While they both doubly resist Shadow Ball, it is very difficult
to discern a Shadow Ball Mewtwo from a Psychic or Hyper Beam one in the queue.
Against all 3 of these charge moves, Tyranitar will serve you significantly
better. While we here at GamePress are willing to concede that Lick Snorlax is
a decent option against Mewtwo (should you not have a Tyranitar, Dragonite,
Mewtwo, or Gyarados to take its place), we cannot recommend using the
abysmally weak and slow Blissey except as an absolute last resort.
最後提醒,卡比獸和幸福蛋是坦克選擇,低DPS但對影子求雙抗,我們GP覺得小招是舔的卡
比也算是個可以的選擇(如果你沒有老班、快龍、保麗龍...)。
Closing 結語
As you can tell, if you’re not rolling up to the local Mewtwo raid with a
bunch of Tyranitar at the ready, you may be in for a rough ride! While
Houndoom, Pinsir, and Scizor make for decent alternative options, all three
pale in comparison. If you queue up and you find your Tyranitar army isn’t
auto-selected, you may be up against Focus Blast. Respond accordingly and make
sure to slot in Dragonite, Gyarados, Gengar, Lugia, or your own Mewtwo to
shore up your Fighting-type weakness before your Tyranitar.
現在你應該知道,如果你沒有老班,追求超夢將是辛苦的旅程,黑魯嘉、大甲和巨鉗螳螂
是還可以的選擇,如果老班沒有被系統挑選作為對戰寶可夢,你極有可能對到大招是真氣
斬的超夢,快龍、保麗龍、耿鬼、洛基亞還有你手上有(?)的超夢能彌補你陣容的缺點

Once you clear the raid, revel in the fact that you are now in possession of
one of the most powerful, metagame defining Pokemon in Pokemon GO and
subsequently save all Rare Candy for its ascension to power. At this point in
time, if your Mewtwo has Psychic or Hyper Beam, you may want to use a Charge
TM. Shadow Ball is as powerful as Psychic against targets weak to Psychic-type
damage and allows Mewtwo to smash Psychic-type Pokemon as well. Focus Blast
allows Mewtwo to rival Machamp as the #1 Blissey slayer.
一旦你清楚了這一切,現在你正處在最強大、最META的寶可夢GO,所以留下你的神奇糖果
吧,如果你的超夢大招是精神強念或破壞死光,你可能會想用招式機,真氣斬讓超夢比肩
怪力成為第一名的幸福蛋劊子手。
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2017-08-17 23:52:00
任天堂(X) 奈安提克(O)
作者: fattyfatty (小胖子)   2017-08-17 23:52:00
太強大了
作者: satan04 (釣魚寶寶)   2017-08-17 23:53:00
任天堂...
作者: staristic (ANSI lover)   2017-08-17 23:55:00
任天堂
作者: dreaman (GIGA)   2017-08-17 23:56:00
第一句主體就搞錯有點可惜啊 推翻譯
作者: anidiot (^__________^)   2017-08-17 23:58:00
人們終於想起了被他們支配的恐懼???????
作者: coldlian (荀文若)   2017-08-17 23:58:00
任天堂
作者: tmps880305 (Jenix)   2017-08-17 23:59:00
The day foretold has come;Mewtwo is now obtainablein Pokemon GO.我會翻:被預言的那天來臨了;超夢現在在pmgo中是可以得到的The day (witch is) foretold has come
作者: december1952 (快一點)   2017-08-18 00:04:00
from hero to zero可翻成「把英雄打成狗熊」啊
作者: bingtsien (公館吃不胖美食家)   2017-08-18 00:04:00
推~再加油,期待你之後的翻譯
作者: daniel7894 (阿毅)   2017-08-18 00:08:00
從一拳變成無證
作者: nolimits (愛盜人)   2017-08-18 00:09:00
巨人梗需要那麼認真嗎
作者: Turnelife (葉子)   2017-08-18 00:30:00
尚可給個推
作者: rightmask (假面)   2017-08-18 00:31:00
Sorry Bro
作者: Tabrith (血糖瑪琪朵)   2017-08-18 00:38:00
翻譯辛苦了,版友真的很嚴格~
作者: tmps880305 (Jenix)   2017-08-18 01:01:00
In fact, Confusion Mewtwo is ..... rather than ananchoring 6th slot Pokemon.
作者: allen771115 (王小傑)   2017-08-18 01:03:00
作者: sango354 (鮮果Sango)   2017-08-18 01:04:00
翻譯辛苦了
作者: tmps880305 (Jenix)   2017-08-18 01:06:00
這邊我會翻:事實上,念力超夢是如此的強大,使'玻璃砲'剋屬寵(如耿鬼)成為問題;'優秀的'剋屬寵(如巨鉗螳螂)變得軟趴趴;且帶來使用'坦克'這個選項(如洛奇亞),而不使用原先固定的6格寵物。6th slot pokemon我不清楚是指什麼,暫時先這樣翻了
作者: rup3xup6 (rup3xup6)   2017-08-18 01:15:00
推 不過公司翻錯了最好改一下XD
作者: peadon (peadon)   2017-08-18 01:18:00
那句6th大概就是前面吵很兇的>> 保底XD
作者: saintsmw (Saint)   2017-08-18 01:18:00
指第六隻打手
作者: nktx (摁虧踢)   2017-08-18 01:19:00
@tmps 那段是指念力超夢或許會讓原本保底用的寵能進入前五考慮的戰力選項之一棒^
作者: Tabrith (血糖瑪琪朵)   2017-08-18 01:21:00
由於念力超夢攻擊力太強,不夠坦的通通都是玻璃砲,所以原本拿來當墊底的Lugia可升級為一線
作者: joyca (joyca)   2017-08-18 01:27:00
翻譯推,辛苦了
作者: nktx (摁虧踢)   2017-08-18 01:28:00
所以原po翻那段沒什麼問題。但必須補充它是 "may" bring因此他也沒說洛升為一線,只是對一些不夠坦的寵打上問號。
作者: ted864879 (Lunhaha)   2017-08-18 01:38:00
推翻譯
作者: qazsedc ( )   2017-08-18 02:00:00
話說,有空軍已經抓到超夢,搭配現場有人拍QRcode傳回某空軍聯隊真他媽的牛那天抓根本閉著眼睛也會gotcha
作者: yys310 (有水當思無水之苦)   2017-08-18 02:40:00
肯傳QRcode那就代表傳的那位犧牲自己的機會了耶
作者: wak (默艾)   2017-08-18 02:55:00
對於一直都是堆屍打法的人來說,沒什麼困難的~~ -_-
作者: pinz (瓶子~龍魂不滅)   2017-08-18 05:49:00
感謝翻譯
作者: dot210 (大特)   2017-08-18 06:15:00
感謝
作者: wayne30613 (氣泡柳橙汁)   2017-08-18 06:44:00
幻系??
作者: shauhon (萬萬葉)   2017-08-18 07:04:00
那來的天空攻擊zzz
作者: d90493 (加菲貓)   2017-08-18 07:20:00
打幸福蛋就靠超夢了
作者: cobrasgo (人魚線變成鮪魚線,超帥)   2017-08-18 07:42:00
還有單挑怪力也是要靠它
作者: allen771115 (王小傑)   2017-08-18 07:46:00
Q大 可以把資訊來源站內信給我嗎
作者: phliao (阿保)   2017-08-18 07:48:00
噓的抓不到超夢
作者: Saxonfang (Saxon)   2017-08-18 07:57:00
翻譯歸翻譯 幽默歸幽默
作者: Tako5566 (kato好可愛><)   2017-08-18 08:05:00
來噓幻系
作者: drroku (落褲博士)   2017-08-18 08:28:00
看到任天堂就end了拍謝
作者: alpafr (paspas!)   2017-08-18 08:29:00
推翻譯
作者: undertakerme (新營金城腐)   2017-08-18 08:36:00
有推有超夢,基本上超夢出來後大家就不會太在乎如何打了,抓不到幹文可能會比較多一點XD
作者: aspeter (Tom)   2017-08-18 08:45:00
內文沒小智吧,與其亂翻不如不翻...
作者: cloud1030 (不存在22)   2017-08-18 08:49:00
原PO這樣翻沒什麼問題
作者: aspeter (Tom)   2017-08-18 08:51:00
是超能力系不是幻系
作者: kenny610 (阿賢仔)   2017-08-18 09:09:00
推 辛苦了
作者: mischiru (小熊維尼)   2017-08-18 09:11:00
康特康特
作者: dormice (MJ KING OF POP )   2017-08-18 09:12:00
感謝
作者: satan04 (釣魚寶寶)   2017-08-18 09:16:00
我是覺得新手翻譯不要好高騖遠 先從貼近原意開始
作者: guardian128 (伊莉莎白歐森是我老婆)   2017-08-18 09:31:00
推推
作者: AndyCheng1 (Andy)   2017-08-18 09:50:00
Psychic是超能系, FAIRY 才是幻系
作者: nonono119 (111119)   2017-08-18 10:37:00
任天堂躺著也中槍 不要看到N開頭就開槍
作者: katseng5566 (Yourass)   2017-08-18 10:40:00
推翻譯,已經很貼近原意了,這版真的很嚴格
作者: nktx (摁虧踢)   2017-08-18 10:57:00
原po前面就先說是練習了 我覺得可以只是專有名詞的部分還是要注意一下XD Sky Attack 翻天空攻擊好像也不能說什麼(?)XDD 但那招是神鳥
作者: satan04 (釣魚寶寶)   2017-08-18 11:11:00
痾 我指的是說 要提升翻譯的正確度 而不是有翻就好要用梗也要抓到原文的精隨
作者: gidens (0)   2017-08-18 11:15:00
又沒拿錢 跟很多翻譯腔重的相比這篇可讀性和流暢度很高了
作者: tsming (斷水流大師兄)   2017-08-18 11:17:00
我覺得可以
作者: tmps880305 (Jenix)   2017-08-18 11:23:00
感謝n大t大,超夢那段我覺得翻譯的話還是儘量完整翻比較適合,不過遠po意思是差不多的超夢那段》玻璃砲那段(修正一下,整篇都在超夢我是在講那段...不過foretold那段我是覺得語意有錯,我破英文有錯還請大家指正最後還是推原po翻譯
作者: Yatagarasu (Yata)   2017-08-18 11:27:00
說真的這比較像創作了,一堆原文沒有的東西
作者: xu3ru4p (iamValentine)   2017-08-18 12:01:00
推翻譯,不過有點超譯了 XD
作者: assblack (assblack)   2017-08-18 12:17:00
推翻譯 有翻過才知道很難
作者: satan04 (釣魚寶寶)   2017-08-18 12:30:00
我想很多推文搞不清楚 建議跟批評的差異
作者: englisher (englisher)   2017-08-18 12:41:00
康特是啥?
作者: YUTIYUAN (小尤)   2017-08-18 12:47:00
countering 逆襲,怪力也有這招……囧rz
作者: nktx (摁虧踢)   2017-08-18 12:52:00
推 至少原意不能跑掉我指殺蛋的建議 這篇再看一次真的挺超譯的wwww
作者: tracheids (大雄)   2017-08-18 12:55:00
辛苦了
作者: Noic (天動說)   2017-08-18 13:23:00
不囉唆 有翻譯先推再說
作者: oldxeng (Someone call for the do)   2017-08-18 13:38:00
不論超譯...大家多看英文是絕對好處多多...
作者: choosin (秋心)   2017-08-18 15:19:00
我覺得可以 重要資訊的地方沒亂偏太多
作者: forgetyou322 (忘了妳.我遇見美好)   2017-08-18 15:40:00
我覺得不行 是在康特什麼鬼
作者: koll (koll)   2017-08-18 15:45:00
我流翻譯
作者: senha (阿千)   2017-08-19 09:09:00
翻譯三原則:信、達、雅,第一點信就是要準確,超譯的話...會連第一點信(基本詞意準確)都沒做到...後面的達(通暢)、雅(詞彙妥當優美)才是比較要求專業的~所以不是有翻譯就好啦XDDD 雖然有翻譯我也很感謝~可是翻錯的地方太多會是錯誤的資訊流傳,這樣很可惜~

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