[新聞] Musk:Tesla的自駕技術"大幅"領先同業

作者: JLintopPG (天下第一控)   2019-04-16 23:51:20
原文連結:
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/elon-musk-teslas-self-driving-tech/
原文內容:
How does Tesla CEO Elon Musk compare his company's still-under-development
self-driving systems to the competition from Waymo, Cruise Automation and
the like? Easy. He believes his company his "vastly ahead of everyone."
到底 Elon Musk 本人如何看待自家發展中自駕系統對比上 Waymo,
Cruise Automation 以及其他同行孰優孰劣呢?
簡單! 答案是 Musk 認為 Tesla 的自動駕駛技術正大幅領先群雄。
This quote comes from Musk's recent appearance on Lex Friedman's Artificial
Intelligence Podcast, where Musk spoke about topics ranging from how much
longer people will need to keep their hands on the wheel ("At least six
months from here") to what question would you ask of a truly sentient
artificial agent ("What's outside the simulation?").
這段論述出現自Musk本人最近上的一則播客節目中,節目中 Musk 從自動駕駛
何時普及("至少六個月後"),到 Musk 本人對於有情感的人工智慧想問什麼問題
都有談論。
(Youtube影片)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEv99vxKjVI
But the bulk of the conversation centered around Tesla's pursuit of
self-driving vehicles. Tesla has long offered a $5,000 "Full Self-Driving
Capability" package for its vehicles, promising access to an eventual
software update enabling the company's cars to drive themselves.
但大多數的對話皆圍繞在 Tesla 對於自動駕駛車輛的努力
Tesla 長久以來皆提供一項名為 "全自動駕駛能力" 的方案
花$5000就能買到"未來能夠獲得全自動駕駛能力"的願景
Musk reiterated this promise, saying: "The hardware currently being
produced is capable of full self-driving." However, autonomy won't be
an overnight thing where you drive yourself home from work one day and
the next morning, after a little OTA action, enjoy a fully automated
commute.
Musk重申這項承諾:「目前的硬體已經具備進行全自動駕駛所需的運算能力」
然而顯然地,全自駕並不是某天早上醒來,就像魔法一般突然擁有
"As we refine the software, the capabilities will increase
dramatically, and then the reliability will increase dramatically,
and then it will receive regulatory approval."
「當我們逐步妥善軟體,自動駕駛的能力會顯著的提升,可靠度亦然,
接下來將會受到法規的認可」
This, however, is where Musk's position took an interesting turn. Musk
believes autonomy will make a car significantly more valuable, perhaps
five times more than a normal, human-driven machine. His conclusion?
"If you buy a Tesla today I believe you are buying an appreciating asset,
not a depreciating asset."
這裡,Musk的論點似乎有了有趣的轉變,他相信自動駕駛將會使車輛更有價值,
或許會有非自駕車輛的五倍價值! 而他的結論是,現在買特斯拉,不但不會折舊
還會開始增值XD
Outside of a rare few desirable collector machines and seemingly every
Porsche more than 20 years old, few cars actually do wind up appreciating
in value significantly. And, very few manufacturers would be bold enough
to make that a promise of their new cars.
但事實上,除了少數幾台車,還有每台年份20年以上的保時捷,還真的沒幾台車
會增值,而且也不太會有車商勇敢地給你這個承諾
But back to autonomy, when will the cars start driving themselves?
Musk believes you'll need to keep your hands on the wheel for "at least
six months from here," raising the question: "How much safer than a
person does Autopilot need to be before it's OK to not monitor the car?"
而回到自動駕駛本身,到底何時才能實現,Musk認為至少還需要六個月
這也帶出了另一個問題,到底Autopilot要比人類多安全多少,
才能放心的把車交給Autopilot?
Musk's basic thesis is that, once Autopilot is proven far safer
(perhaps by 200%, he notes), then letting a human take over actually
becomes risky behavior. He references the early days of elevators,
where a human pilot manually directed them to go up or down with a
lever. Now, Musk says, "Nobody wants an elevator operator, because
the automated elevator that stops at the floors is much safer."
Musk的基本論述是,當Autopilot比人類安全或許200%以上時,讓人類接手才是
危險的。他以早期電梯以人工操作為例,現在早就沒人想要電梯操作員,
因為電梯本身還更安全。
And what about the competition developing their own self-driving
technologies? "To me, right now this seems like game, set and match.
I don't want to be complacent or overconfident, but that is literally
how it appears right now. I could be wrong, but it appears to be the case
that Tesla is vastly ahead of everyone." With competitors like Waymo
racking up real-world miles for its self-driving systems, that's an
awfully confident statement to make. As ever, the proof will be in the
pudding.
「對我來說現在自動駕駛的競賽勝負已決,我不想太過自滿或是過分自信,
但現在看起來就是如此。我可能錯了,但現在看起來Tesla的確大幅領先了其他人。」
正當Waymo等其他同業持續累積自駕實地測試里程數時,這看起來似乎是個過分自信
的言論,不過,海水退潮了才會知道誰沒穿褲子。
心得/說明:(30字以上)
這兩天看到這則很狂的新聞,當很多評比報告都不認為Tesla
的自駕系統是最好的時候,鋼鐵人依然充滿自信。
我真的很喜歡那句話,海水退潮了,就知道誰沒穿褲子。
作者: Scape (non)   2019-04-16 23:55:00
等五年或十年過後再回來檢視吧
作者: fit   2019-04-17 00:00:00
五年或十年後,法令會為了自駕而修改嗎?
作者: brianandy (絲逸歡)   2019-04-17 00:05:00
the proof will be in the pudding.
作者: dslite (呼呼)   2019-04-17 00:15:00
不愧是呼麻仔
作者: JEON (果然是鄉民的世界)   2019-04-17 00:26:00
看來他最近真的很缺錢......
作者: fit   2019-04-17 00:31:00
窮得只剩下Teala,SpaceX和Solar City
作者: hsiung9 (熊九)   2019-04-17 00:36:00
自駕只是時間的問題 一堆三寶 酒駕路上跑是安全什麼?
作者: Yuwuen (遊玩)   2019-04-17 00:56:00
我大禿頭馬思克真的是近代科技偉人
作者: Brooklyn99 (布魯克林99)   2019-04-17 02:44:00
看來前途顧問機構都在混沒把我特自駕排第一
作者: roc074 (安安)   2019-04-17 02:53:00
10年前也沒人把SpaceX當一回事,結果現在NASA為了應付副總統的重返月球計畫,只好找SpaceX看看能不能負擔一部分業務反正就等著看Tesla 10年後到底能不能做到他想要的樣子。不過比起自駕,快把汽車的智慧語音助理弄一弄吧,上次看過對岸蔚藍的NOMI系統至少可以操控一部分常用的功能。
作者: aasslleepp (環境會改變一個人)   2019-04-17 03:00:00
目前看起來的確是啊 只是我覺得定位也有差異tesla一直努力發展自駕技術 但1P2B V牌發展的都只是輔助駕駛感覺不是很努力發展自駕技術不曉得其他車廠是否看到了什麼問題?又或者在盤算些什麼也許是可靠度的問題吧。。。感覺啦 用相機來比喻的話tesla就像是Sony 其他就像Nikon, Canon 技術永遠都都在擠牙膏但又不是做不到 不曉得在考慮什麼?
作者: syterol (小賊)   2019-04-17 07:02:00
腦粉還不每天肉身自駕500公里,多生一些大數據加快進度
作者: Scape (non)   2019-04-17 08:33:00
大車廠的問題是在於有很多包袱,他們各項系統幾乎都是跟大供應商買來的,沒有辦法像小的新創公司那樣說做什麼就做什麼,整個靈活度低很多。同時人才也是一個問題,全自駕所需的人才跟以往汽車所需的人才不同,這些專攻AI 的人才都集中在矽谷,大車廠要搶這些人才除了要到當地設立研發之外還必須與網路公司、資訊公司搶人才。但這些車廠的傳統研發地離矽谷都很遠
作者: Joey452 (Joey)   2019-04-17 08:58:00
真的屌
作者: DYE (跟腦殘爭最後都會變腦殘.)   2019-04-17 09:15:00
前面不是說特廠的自駕快可以辨識紅燈?waymo已經算是實際在街上商用自動駕駛叫車服務不可能waymo還不能辨識紅燈吧?
作者: Brian23 (Brian)   2019-04-17 09:51:00
跟google自駕車哪個技術強?
作者: whizz (澄)   2019-04-17 10:49:00
ZzzzZzzzzz吹牛仔
作者: chandler0227 (錢德勒)   2019-04-17 11:13:00
去看哪幾家最先取得各州政府載人服務的資格啦XD
作者: haydou (haydou)   2019-04-17 12:07:00
我聽說最強的是waymo捏
作者: kazami (高處不勝寒)   2019-04-17 20:16:00
這真的很好笑 跟恐龍家長說自己小孩最厲害 是一樣意思
作者: SakuraHana (櫻花)   2019-04-17 22:34:00
自我感覺良好明明就吊車尾

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