Re: [問卦] 二戰後日本領土的變更及後續發展

作者: saveme (hihi)   2015-02-04 00:45:03
※ 引述《pauljet (噴射機)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《quartics (Smart is the new Sexy)》之銘言:
: : 1952舊金山和約生效後, 日本放棄台灣主權,沒有收受國,
: : 此時台灣主權就已經決定,屬於台灣住民所有,
: : 台灣未定的是國家地位, 此乃因為中華民國政府流亡台灣,還宣稱擁有中國大陸,
: : 要名正言順成為實質獨立國家需先擺脫中華民國流亡政府的糾纏,
: : 也就是重新制憲,修憲及法律把目前跟中國大陸有關的全部刪除,
: : 明訂台灣為主權獨立國家,領土範圍就是台澎,金門馬祖不屬於舊金山和約台灣範圍.
: : 因此金馬馬祖可透過公投決定要加入台灣或中華人民共和國.
: : 如果金馬決定加入台灣,那領土範圍就是台澎金馬.
: 我們來討論一下北方四島
: 北方四島是日本放棄主權
: 但是沒指定收受國
: 也就是蘇聯
: 所以北方四島應獨立這樣?
先講結論:
台灣澎湖地位等同千島群島地位等同琉球群島地位,
舊金山和平條約實踐波次坎宣言內容.
(所以阿共也同意台灣要歸還日本,
他還在中日友好條約裡要求日本遵守波次坎宣言)
http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1952-54v14p2/d595
In Article 2 of the Peace Treaty, Japan renounced right, title and claim to Ko
rea, Formosa, the Kuriles, Sakhalin, the Mandated Islands, Antarctic area, the
Spratly Islands and the Paracel Islands. It may be inferred that ultimate Jap
anese sovereignty was recognized over the islands she agreed to place in trust
eeship. This conception was conceded by Mr. Dulles (page 78, Dept. State
Publication 4392)8and by Mr. Younger, the U.K. delegate (page 93, Dept. State
Publication 4392). Mr. Dulles speaks of the current Japanese position as 「res
idual sovereignty」.
在SFPT第2條,日本放棄對朝鮮,福爾摩沙,千島群島,庫頁島,南洋群島,南極區域,西沙群島
,南沙群島的權利,資格,和主張,這可推斷日本承認對於這些島嶼擁有最終的主權而她同意
置於託管制度.這個概念由杜勒斯和英國的委任代表楊格先生所承認(page 78,93,美國國
務院公報4392)杜勒斯談及日本當時的立場是"剩餘主權".
http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1952-54v14p2/d595
The Potsdam Proclamation, paragraph (8), reads 「The terms of the Cairo Declar
ation shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the is
lands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku, and such minor islands as we deter
mine.」 The Cairo Declaration referred specifically only to 「the territories
Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa and the Pescador
es」, although it did add 「Japan will also be expelled from all other territo
ries which she has taken by violence and greed.」 The San Francisco Peace Trea
ty amounts to a 「determination」 by the Allied Powers as to the 「minor islan
ds」 which Japan is to renounce. By its terms Japan renounced (a) certain isla
nds off Korea; (b) Formosa and the Pescadores; (c)
the Kurile Islands, South Sakhalin and adjacent islands; (d) the League of Nat
ion’s Mandate System; (e) the Antarctic area; and (f) the Spratley and Parace
l Islands. In other words, the Treaty appears to be an implementation of the p
recise terms of the Potsdam Proclamation rather than an attempt to carry out t
he vague provision of the Cairo Declaration regarding territories taken by vio
lence and greed.
在坡次坦公告第八段顯示"開羅宣言條款必須實行且日本主權應被限制在本州島,北海道島
,九州島,四國島,和我們決定諸如次要的島嶼."開羅宣言具體的只被提交於"這些領土是從
中國偷來的,例如滿州,福爾摩沙與澎湖",儘管他只增加"日本也將被驅趕從所有由暴力和
貪婪取得的其他土地."舊金山和平條約產生一個由盟軍"決定"的結果,至於提到日本放棄
的"次要的島嶼".在此款內日本放棄(a)確切以韓國為稱的島嶼;(b)福爾摩沙和澎湖;(c)千
島群島,南庫頁島和毗連的島嶼;(d)國際聯盟託管系統;(e)南極地區;和(f)南沙和西沙島
嶼.換句話說,條約顯露出一個精確履行的波次坦公告條款而不是企圖實踐開羅宣言中就領
土是由暴力和貪婪所取得而論的不明確之條款.
The United States cannot consistently take the position that Japan has not ren
ounced the Kuriles, any more than she could take the position that she had not
renounced Formosa and the Pescadores. She must, in view of the position taken
by the Secretary and by the United States Senate, contend that their disposit
ion is for future international action. It would be perfectly consistent for t
he United States to support Japan in the argument that these islands, or part
of them, should be returned to Japan by international action, such as an accor
d among the Allied Powers, including the Soviet Union.
美國不能一貫的持有日本不再放棄千島群島的立場,相較於它(日本)可以持有它沒有放棄
福爾摩沙與澎湖的立場.它必須,考慮到在國務院和美國參議院持有的立場,堅決主張他們
的處置是交由未來的國際行動.它將完美一致的符合美國支持日本在這些島嶼的爭議,或是
他們的部分,應該藉由國際行動歸還給日本,例如一個在同盟國包括蘇聯的協議.
(也就是說他將來可以歸還給日本的,法理上日本現在扔然擁有台灣澎湖的剩餘主權)
http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1955-57v23p1/d89
The Secretary reminded Mr. Shigemitsu that the Kuriles and Ryukyus were handle
d in the same manner under the surrender terms and that while the United State
s had by the peace treaty agreed that residual sovereignty to the Ryukyus migh
t remain with Japan, we had also stipulated by Article 26 that if Japan gave b
etter terms to Russia we could demand the same terms for
ourselves. That would mean that if Japan recognized that the Soviet Union was
entitled to full sovereignty over the Kuriles we would assume that we were equ
ally entitled to full sovereignty over the Ryukyus.
國務卿提醒重光揆先生 千島群島和琉球在投降條款的處理是相同的方式且當美國在和平
條約同意日本可能對琉球保留剩餘主權,我們也在26條規定假如日本給予蘇聯更好的條款
我們也可以要求對我們同樣的條款.這代表假如日本承認蘇聯是給予千島群島完整的主權,
我們主張對我們同樣給予琉球群島的完整主權.
作者: fufufugogogo   2015-02-04 00:55:00
法理上日本現在扔然擁有台灣澎湖的剩餘主權??????爭這個根本沒人鳥你 日本只會當你神經病
作者: sexyATHENA (ATHENA)   2015-02-04 01:00:00
所以釣島誰的很明顯了XD
作者: wattswatts (挖哩)   2015-02-04 02:19:00
可以去爭日本人,爺爺奶奶有日本國籍正本XD

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