※ 引述《mmmimi11tw (WHO維尼快樂組織)》之銘言：
: 要想討論這個問題
: 我們要先知道訪問的前後文在講什麼
: 很簡單
: 我們只要點進去美國政府公布那一天的稿子
: 看一下就知道內容在說什麼了
貼記者會逐字稿沒什麼用的 我後面解釋
因為烏克蘭自己的報紙 標題是這樣
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https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-got-to-win-war-first-before-joining-nato/
Ukraine must win the war first before joining NATO, White House says
白宮稱烏克蘭必須先贏得戰爭才能加入北約
Ukraine has to win the war with Russia before becoming a NATO member, U.S.
National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said at a briefing on June
17.
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實際上 這和去年6月北約分會前的說的內容幾乎一至
無聊的話可以去翻翻 去年六月份的新聞
去年是烏克蘭關注度最高 最有機會特例入約的一年
但是事都沒加入
甚至去年7-11號的時候 都還有消息 說會加入
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https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/paper/1593263
北約移除障礙 加速烏國入盟 2023/07/11 05:30
〔編譯陳成良／綜合報導〕北大西洋公約組織（NATO）卅一個成員國的領袖預定十一日齊
聚立陶宛首都維爾紐斯，參加年度峰會，烏克蘭的未來成員地位料將成為關鍵議題。烏克
蘭外交部長庫列巴十日透過「推特」表示，經過密集會談，北約盟國針對將「成員國行動
計畫」（MAP）從烏克蘭入會的道路上移除，達成共識，「我方歡迎這一期待已久的決定
，它縮短了我們通往北約的道路，這也是明確邀請烏克蘭成為成員國的最佳時機。」
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先不談土耳其和匈牙利
去年連德國和美國都發表說 反對烏克蘭開後門加入北約
德國===============================
Scholz pledges security assurances to Kyiv but no swift NATO membership
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/scholz-pledges-security-assurances-kyiv-no-swift-nato-membership-2023-06-22
https://reurl.cc/YE5zzX
BERLIN, June 22 (Reuters) - German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Thursday pledged
long-term security assurances to Ukraine but dashed Kyiv's hopes for a swift
accession to NATO.
"We have to take a sober look at the current situation," Scholz told German
lawmakers in a speech in parliament, adding the government in Kyiv had itself
acknowledged the country would not be able to join NATO as long as the war
was still going on.
美國======================================
拜登：烏克蘭如欲加入北約無捷徑可走
2023/6/18
https://www.cna.com.tw/news/aopl/202306180003.aspx
（中央社華盛頓17日綜合外電報導）美國總統拜登今天表示，儘管俄羅斯全面入侵烏克蘭
，美國不會為烏克蘭加入北大西洋公約組織（NATO）軍事聯盟做出特別安排。
法新社報導，拜登在華盛頓附近告訴媒體記者，「他們（烏克蘭）必須達到相同的標準，
所以我們不會讓這件事（加入北約）變得更容易。」
北約領袖預定下月在立陶宛首都維爾紐斯（Vilnius）召開峰會。
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至於記者會文字 你去仔細分析沒啥用的 我去年很閒 大概追了半年吧
如果常看白宮記者會就知道 一個他 一個黑人女的
他們只會回答 他們能回答的能回答的
而且常常繞彎 一直繞 一直繞 一直繞
你可以看出來美國也反對烏克蘭現在加入北約嗎? 不行
那麼誰不用擔心說錯話呢 美國總統
美國總統前接受時代專訪的時候
https://time.com/6984968/joe-biden-transcript-2024-interview/
So what is the endgame though in Ukraine and what does peace look like there?
Biden: Peace looks like making sure Russia never, never, never, never
occupies Ukraine. That's what peace looks like. And it doesn't mean NATO,
they are part of NATO, it means we have a relationship with them like we do
with other countries, where we supply weapons so they can defend themselves
in the future. But it is not, if you notice, I was the one when—and you guys
did report it at TIME—the one that I was saying that I am not prepared to
support the NATOization of Ukraine.
這段就可以很明顯看出來
美國推動烏克蘭入約 但並不贊同烏克蘭現在加入北約
實際他說的話和去年幾乎一模一樣
: https://reurl.cc/XGrVje
: 由於當天實際上還訪問了 以色列 菲律賓 古巴 習近平
: 我們單獨看一下烏克蘭議題就好 有點長
: 首先記者問了
: Q ：Thanks, John. Thanks, Karine.
: Secretary General Stoltenberg was talking about
: once the current fighting in Ukraine ends
: that the ultimate security guarantee to prevent it from happening again
: -that Russia invades again -is Article 5 from NATO.
: He seemed to be very clear that
: Ukraine should be admitted into NATO after the current fighting ends.
: 謝謝John謝謝，Karine
: 秘書長Stoltenberg表示
: 一旦烏克蘭目前的戰鬥結束
: 防止再次發生（俄羅斯再次入侵）的最終安全保障就是北約第五條
: 他似乎非常清楚在目前的戰鬥結束後
: 烏克蘭應該加入北約
: Q ：Is that a — is — can you speak to that? Is that a commitment that the U
: .S. shares, feels — that once this cur- — once this current fighting ends, t
: hat — feels strongly that Ukraine can get into NATO?
: 那你能說一下嗎？ 這是美國所共有的承諾嗎
: 一旦目前的戰鬥結束，就會強烈感覺到烏克蘭可以加入北約？
: MR. KIRBY: The President has said that he believes that NATO is in Ukraine’s
: future. And there’s — there’s a lot of things that have to be done before
: they can join the Alliance, like any member has to do before they can join th
: e Alliance. But the President believes firmly that NATO is in Ukraine’s futu
: re at some point.
: KIRBY：總統說過他相信北約是烏克蘭的未來
: 在加入聯盟之前 他們需要做很多事情
: 就像任何成員在加入聯盟之前都必須做的那樣
: 但總統堅信北約在某個時候會影響烏克蘭的未來
: Q：But those — those conditions that have been — have been, you know, ki- —
: it’s somewhat a little bit vague. It’s been a very di- — it has not been
: a very clear pathway when would they be able to do the action—
: 但是那些…那些已經存在的條件..
: 你知道，有點模糊 這是一個非常困難的…
: 這還不是一個非常明確的途徑
: 他們什麼時候能夠採取行動
: Q ：What are the specific conditions that Ukraine needs to meet?
: 烏克蘭需要滿足哪些具體條件？
: MR. KIRBY ：The Alliance has talked about and the United States has certainly
: talked about, first, they got to win this war. All right? They got to win th
: e war first. And so, number one, we’re doing everything we can to make sure
: they can do that.
: MR. KIRBY：聯盟已經談過了 美國當然也談過了
: 首先他們必須贏得這場戰爭
: 好的？他們首先要贏得戰爭
: 因此 第一點 我們正在盡一切努力確保他們能夠做到這一點
: Then when the war is over,
: no matter what it looks like,
: they’re still going to have a long border with Russia
: and a legitimate security threat to the Ukrainian people.
: That’s why the President at the —
: at the G7 signed our bilateral security agreement joining
: — what? — some other —
: 14, 15 other countries that have done the same thing
: to make sure that, for the long haul,
: Ukraine’s defense industrial base
: can continue to make sure that they have what they need
: to defend themselves,
: and that includes assistance from the United States.
: That’s the long haul.
: 然後當戰爭結束時 無論情況如何
: 他們仍然與俄羅斯有很長的邊界
: 並對烏克蘭人民構成合法的安全威脅
: 這就是為什麼總統在G7簽署了我們的雙邊安全協議並加入了什麼？
: 其他 14、15 個國家也做了同樣的事情
: 以確保從長遠來看烏克蘭的國防工業基礎
: 能夠繼續確保他們擁有自衛所需的東西
: 其中包括來自烏克蘭的美國援助 這才是長遠的事
: That will help — that will help them defend themselves while they work on the
: necessary things they have to do, like any member of the Alliance has to work
: on — for instance, on corruption — before they can apply for NATO membershi
: p.
: But we do believe that NATO is in Ukraine’s future, and we’re going to work
: with them every step of the way to
: get them there.
: 這將有所幫助
: 這將幫助他們在做必要的事情的同時保護自己
: 就像聯盟的任何成員在申請加入北約之前必須做的事情一樣
: 例如反貪腐
: 但我們確實相信北約是烏克蘭的未來
: 我們將與他們合作把他們帶進那裡
:
: Q：Is corruption still a major concern for
: 腐敗是否仍是以下方面的一個主要問題：
: MR. KIRBY: Corruption is a concern.
: But there’s — there’s certainly o- — other things that need to be done for
: any — any nation that wants to join the Alliance.
: And I want to reiterate that joining the Alliance is an Alliance decision; it
: ’s not something the United States can just make happen magically. It has to
: be done through the existing Allies as well.
: MR. KIRBY：貪腐是一個令人擔憂的問題
: 但對於任何想要加入聯盟的國家來說
: 他們當然還有其他事情要做
: 我想重申 加入聯盟是整體聯盟的決定
: 這不是美國可以神奇地實現的事
: 這也必須透過現有的盟友來完成
: 以上
: —
: https://i.imgur.com/ALkpKd5.jpeg