Prospect Retrospective: Doug Fister

作者: alex710707 (PonWei)   2013-02-01 11:59:19
Per reader request, here is a Prospect Retrospective and Career Profile on Doug Fister. From now on with these Prospect Retros, I'm going to include a "Lesson Learned."
Doug Fister was a solid (though not outstanding) starting pitcher for Fresno
State in 2005, going 7-6, 4.32 with a 77/27 K/BB in 94 innings with 90 hits
allowed as a junior. He was drafted by the Yankees in the sixth round, but
wasn't happy with the offered bonus and went back to college for his senior
year. This produced similar numbers: 8-6, 4.10 with a 108/47 K/BB in 116 innings
, 118 hits allowed. The decision to return to college likely cost him money:
the Mariners picked him in the seventh round of the '06 draft, but as a
senior he had no leverage and got just a $50,000 bonus.
Scouts were intrigued with his 6-8, 185 pound frame, but his stuff was
considered just average with an 88-90 MPH fastball and an okay slider. He was
used as a reliever in the Northwest League after signing, with a 2.25 ERA and
a 35/11 K/BB in 40 innings, but as a senior with average stuff pitching
against younger competition, he didn't show up on prospect lists. I did not
put him in the 2007 book, but I didn't have great reports on him despite his
numbers, and would have given him a Grade C if I had put him in the book.
Baseball America didn't put him in their Mariners Top 30 either, so I wasn't
alone.
Fister jumped all the way to Double-A in his first pro season, going 7-8, 4.60
with a 85/32 K/BB in 131 innings for West Tennessee, allowing 156 hits. He
showed sharp control, but his K/IP ratio was below average and he gave up a
ton of hits. Scouting reports were the same as before: mediocre fastball,
okay slider, okay changeup, but nothing that stood out about him. Certainly
the numbers weren't that impressive, and to me he looked like a Double-A
inning-eater. I didn't put him in the '08 book, and Baseball America made
the same decision for their handbook. He still looked like a marginal Grade C
guy to me.
Returning to West Tennessee for '08, Fister's ERA rose to 5.43 and he went
6-14. He did strike out more people, with a 104/45 K/BB in 134 innings, but
remained extremely hittable with 155 hits given up. Again, reports indicated
a guy who threw strikes with mediocre stuff, and there was nothing in the
numbers or the scouting reports to indicate a breakout ahead. Once again, he
was left out of both my book and BA's book entering 2009.
Fister began '09 with West Tennessee, but was promoted to Triple-A after
pitching 5.2 scoreless innings in relief. With Tacoma, he went 6-4, 3.81 with
a 79/11 K/BB in 106 innings, with 132 hits given up. Again, that's a lot of
hits. But his control went from good to excellent, his BB/9 dropping from 3.0
in '08 to a mere 0.9 in '09. The K/IP and H/IP remained unimpressive, but the
sharp reduction in walks boosted his performance and got him noticed.
Promoted to the majors when Seattle needed a starter during the summer of
‘09, he went 3-4, 4.13 with a 36/15 K/BB in 61 innings for the Mariners,
with 63 hits allowed. Pitching in front of major league defenses seemed to
help him, and he continued to throw strikes with aplomb.
He exceeded rookie innings limits, but I would have given him a Grade C or C+
entering 2010 due to his low strikeout rate. I would probably have written
something along the lines that he could contribute as a fourth/fifth starter
and inning-eater if you put a good defense behind him, but that he had no
potential to dominate. That would have been a pretty accurate take for '10:
he went 6-14, 4.11 in 28 starts with a 93/32 K/BB, 187 hits in 171 innings,
and a 96 ERA+.
2011 showed him with a 3-12 record in 21 starts for the Mariners due to poor
run support, but with a 3.33 ERA and a 113 ERA+ in 146 innings. Traded to the
Tigers in July for the stretch run, he went on an 8-1, 1.79 run in 70 innings
for an ERA+ of 231, helping push Detroit to the post-season. Overall he posted
a 5.4 WAR in '11.
He was solid enough in 2012: 10-10, 3.45, 137/37 K/BB in 162 innings, 122 ERA+
, 3.6 WAR. Overall, in 610 major league innings, Fister is 30-41, 3.48 with a
412/121 K/BB, 599 hits allowed, 116 ERA+, 12.1 WAR. His career FIP is almost
identical to his ERA at 3.51.
Up until mid-season 2009, there was nothing in Fister's scouting reports,
college record, or minor league sabermetric profile to predict the successful
major league career he's had so far. Velocity was never his forte and still
isn't, but his fastball sinks well and his slider, cutter, curveball, and
changeup give him a diverse arsenal. He always threw strikes reasonably well,
but the big change was a sharp decline in his walk rate that began in ‘09.
Sharpening his command from decent to excellent took him to the top and has
kept him successful. Fister never showed up highly on prospect lists because
the command improvement happened so fast that he lost rookie eligibility
before most analysts could conclude that the changes were real.
Lesson Learned: Rapid improvements aren't always illusionary and can make a
big difference. If a pitcher throws strikes and gets grounders, he has
something to build on.
連結
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/1/31/3935200/doug-fister-rhp-detroit-tigers
-prospect-retrospective-2013
數據
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fistedo01.shtml
Doug Fister 別說從位入選百大,連Sickles給的評分也只有C,上MLB突然開竅控球進步,
變成不錯的2號先發
作者: pandafish (New York 洋基)   2013-02-01 12:10:00
作者: srysry (瀟湘夜雨)   2013-02-01 12:35:00
推文章 但是他文章所提控球變好是在2009年的小聯盟就已經發
作者: srysry (瀟湘夜雨)   2013-02-01 12:36:00
生 只是同年後來也升上大聯盟 跟大聯盟突然開竅有點不同..
作者: Atropos0723 (Atropos)   2013-02-01 13:18:00
當初水手用拳兒換來的貨,現在好像都離開了.......這真是賠得徹底啊....
作者: Atropos0723 (Atropos)   2013-02-01 13:22:00
啊....記錯了,換來的人都還在水兵系統....
作者: alex710707 (PonWei)   2013-02-01 13:43:00
文章是說小聯盟時期控球不錯(decent)上大聯盟變到優秀(excellent)
作者: srysry (瀟湘夜雨)   2013-02-01 14:20:00
文中已經提到09在3a bb/9就已經從3.0修正到恐怖的1.0....
作者: srysry (瀟湘夜雨)   2013-02-01 14:23:00
所以2009時也有機會上到mlb...
作者: srysry (瀟湘夜雨)   2013-02-01 14:25:00
Fister began '09 with West Tennessee..(這是來到3A)
作者: srysry (瀟湘夜雨)   2013-02-01 14:26:00
his control went from good to excellent, his BB/9ropping from 3.0 in '08 to a mere 0.9 in '09.
作者: alex710707 (PonWei)   2013-02-01 14:27:00
恩 Sorry 大致上看過 沒看仔細
作者: srysry (瀟湘夜雨)   2013-02-01 14:27:00
我說1.0是看BR 你可以再看看那段的敘述...
作者: srysry (瀟湘夜雨)   2013-02-01 14:30:00
翻譯很辛苦...剛好有興趣仔細看看到而已
作者: alex710707 (PonWei)   2013-02-01 14:45:00
沒翻譯 也才一行而已 不過大致上確實就是講這樣
作者: Pennyjr (木頭人)   2013-02-01 14:48:00
水兵放走他真的是虧阿,沒有人想到他控球會變好
作者: Tornadola (nothing)   2013-02-01 15:04:00
當時的Vargas賣像太差 qq
作者: okinawa8 (ekao)   2013-02-01 15:09:00
他控球一直都很好阿 去老虎會升級是因為變化球進步吧
作者: ohb (好勝的命運是失落)   2013-02-01 16:10:00
他在水兵的成績是靠一顆控球很棒的直球就有的
作者: OoyaoO (你今天崩潰了嗎 囧)   2013-02-01 17:19:00
還是搞不太懂水手賣他幹嘛 當時他還有很久才FA 又能吃局數
作者: nolander (自己國家自己救)   2013-02-02 02:49:00
換來的貨不錯啦 只是還沒打出來 拳兒又表現太好而已
作者: nolander (自己國家自己救)   2013-02-02 02:51:00
老貓打線應該對拳兒的心情有幫助 投得爽成績好也是合理的
作者: Epsilon (我是EPS)   2013-02-02 12:41:00
交易前沒人想得到的事,就不必事後諸葛了,最多覺得扼腕而
作者: Epsilon (我是EPS)   2013-02-02 12:42:00
已。Fister上major前就已經知道他控球很好了。
作者: starcry (天王星)   2013-02-02 17:59:00
節奏明快 看他投球蠻舒服的
作者: iluy ( )   2013-02-03 12:33:00
曲球變超威
作者: sjvious (LoveIsSweetMisery)   2013-02-03 14:52:00
Fister推一個

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