[討論] 代貼回應鐵三角[老魚在玩文字遊戲]的指

作者: outra (奧特羅)   2016-06-09 20:07:53
回應鐵三角[老魚在玩文字遊戲]的指控
鐵三角宣稱:
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老魚在玩文字遊戲,
復和觀是神化觀或同歸於一論的核心是明顯的,
但神化觀要談「如何達成」這件事,所以講的會比復和觀多,
我不認為我簡化地講復和觀就是神化觀有什麼問題,
說「不完全同等」只是更精確地講,
但不影響復和觀是神化觀的核心這件事。
這是公然的毀謗!
鐵三角自己說:
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→ theologe: 法理當然是稱義,正教神學不是偏生機我輸你 06/08 15:38
→ theologe: 復和就是神化觀啦 06/08 15:38
推 theologe: 瞭解了,(算倪李嗎?)把「和好」擺在法理裡面,嗯嗯, 06/08 17:47
→ theologe: 這點跟我是有差異的。主要我的架構是從罪論推回來救恩論 06/08 17:48
→ theologe: ,故「和好」不會是法理層面(處理Avon),而一定是處理 06/08 17:49
→ theologe: Pesha。而Pesha我歸為愛任紐或東方教父的復和觀去管, 06/08 17:50
明顯的,他在這裏首先宣稱"復和就是神化觀啦",並且拖出"我歸為愛任紐或東方教父的復
和觀去管",把愛任紐當作他的擦屁股紙.後面他扯[同歸與一]的部分我就略過了.
這也是為甚麼我在[和好=成神嗎?請教神學家!]中直接戳破他的偽面具,說:"神學家東拉
西扯的神功相信大家都非常的憎惡。這次,他為了標榜自己的神功蓋世,竟然
把愛任紐拖出來做他的擦屁股紙,這種侮辱先人的行為太過分了。"
所以,我引用了三處愛任紐的話,並提出3個問題要鐵三角回答:
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1- 上面三段的內容是什麼?
2- 上面三段對於【和好(reconciliation)】的定義是什麼?
3- 上面三段有沒有說【和好=神化】?
結果,鐵三角在[[問題] 不瞭解會所為什麼把和好擺在法理]一文中,裝瘋賣傻,不談愛任紐
,卻[裝呆]+[砲打]聚會所根據傳統基督教神學(包括愛任紐)的做法,把和好歸於[稱義]下
面的做法.因此,鐵三角才是真正[玩弄文字遊戲]的無賴!
當然,鐵三角這種無恥+無賴的作法大家都看得很清楚了,也不希奇.這種做法,除了一個[賤
]字外,實在找不到更好的形容詞!
在請教鐵嘴鐵三角
下面這段話是愛任紐的原話:
2.
But now the case stands thus, that the Word has saved that which really was [c
reated, viz.,] humanity which had perished, effecting by means of Himself that
communion which should be held with it, and seeking out its salvation. But th
e thing which had perished possessed flesh and blood. For the Lord, taking dus
t from the earth, moulded man; and it was upon his behalf that all the dispens
ation of the Lord’s advent took place. He had Himself, therefore, flesh and b
lood, recapitulating in Himself not a certain other, but that original handiwo
rk of the Father, seeking out that thing which had perished. And for this caus
e the apostle, in the Epistle to the Colossians, says, “And though ye were fo
rmerly alienated, and enemies to His knowledge by evil works, yet now ye have
been 【reconciled】 in the body of His flesh, through His death, to present yo
urselves holy and chaste, and without fault in His sight.”4567 He says, “Ye
have been 【reconciled】 in the body of His flesh,” because the righteous fle
sh has reconciled that lesh which was being kept under bondage in sin, and br
ought it into friendship with God. (pg786)
麻煩您告訴我們:
1- 這段話的內容是什麼?
2- 這段話中對[和好]的定義是什麼?
3- 這段話中那裡有說到[和好就是神化]?
你說:在我的罪論架構中,「法理」就是要處理「不公正」、「不公義」的Avon。
你這種混賴的行為已經是非常的「不公正」、「不公義」!答不出來,就當場切腹給我們看
!
作者: theologe (表達你我的信仰~)   2016-06-09 20:18:00
請問老魚,復和跟合一不是同一件事嗎?神化不是合一嗎?
作者: outra (奧特羅)   2016-06-09 22:15:00
老魚:問你的牧師去!

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