Re: [情報] 基督之必須成為人(肉身)

作者: df31 (DF-31)   2016-09-20 22:42:27
:: 1- 根據您的一些描述(牧養黎巴嫩移民,遠東正教,近東正教..),似乎您應該屬於[敘
利亞教會]?若不是,請指正.
:我是屬於 安提阿大阿拉伯進東正教會
:"Roman Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East"
查了。【安提阿大阿拉伯進東正教會】認為自己就是古代的【安提阿大主教區】的延續,
源自彼得和保羅。自稱是【在一個與東正教更為廣泛的交通中(within the wider
communion of Eastern Orthodox Christianity)】,聽不懂。基本上,你們應該就是所
謂的【敘利亞教會】這一支。
:: 2- 不知道您的教會認可幾次大公教會會議?
:頭7次
你們承認第六次大公會議的教喻嗎?
第三次君士坦丁堡公會議[編輯]
維基百科,自由的百科全書
第三次君士坦丁堡公會議,是於680年至681年在君士坦丁堡召開的基督教大公會議。這會
議是基督教歷史上第六次的世界性主教會議。
歷史[編輯]
由於教宗何諾利烏一世提出基督的人性意志和神性意志是「一個意志與行動的倫理一致性
」,故被視為趨向「基督一志論」派。在君士坦丁四世和教宗阿加托會談後,決定安排召
開此次大公會議。繼上一次之大公會議(即第二次君士坦丁堡公會議)後,此會議譴責「
基督一性論」及討論其延伸的「基督一志論」,將「基督一志論」視為異端。何諾利烏一
世並沒有被判為異端。另外,會議通過了有關教士等級及教規。
此大公會議得到當時教宗良二世的核准。其後,教宗本篤二世及第三次多雷鐸會議(684
年)亦曾嘉許這屆大公會議的決定。
:: 3- 以下是一個古代教父的清單:
:: 愛任紐 Irenaeus of Lyon
:: 特土良 Tertullian
:: 亞他那修 Athanasius
:: 拿先斯的貴格利 Gregory of Nyssa
:: 安波羅修 Ambrose
:: 奧古斯丁 Augustine
: :區梭多模 Chrysostom
:: 耶柔米 Jerome
:: 大馬士革的約翰 John of Damascus
:: 認信者馬克西母 Maximus of Confessor
:這些人在我們教會裏面都認定為聖人
:但是我們教會怎麼對這些人的具體傳承我不知道
呵呵,怎麼又是【不知道】?你不知道,怎麼【代表】你們的大主教區?
我建議您最好還是問問您的神甫,他們幾個人的【基督論】是正統?還是異端?(東正教
可是認定他們的教義的哦!希望你們跟東正教一樣。)
:我以前也是 地方召會 的成員
幸會!
:我之前待過得那間召會
:相信所謂的型態論這種異端信仰
呵呵,有興趣,我們可以討論啊!
:相信基督受造這點我完全不認同
呵呵,這是我們在討論的問題。
:然後經文討論時
:使徒不見了
:教父不見了
我跟你不談李常受,我們就談使徒和教父。:)
:只有李常受思想 其他一切都是__
呵呵,你不熟悉新教。先不要管。先搞清楚自己和自己的大主教區的信仰吧?!
最後,我貼天主教方面的材料,不知道您【看】了沒有?
我的意思很簡單,天主教方面承認【基督具有被造的人性】,您要不要先宣佈天主教是異
端啊?。。。。呵呵
補上一些資料:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasius_of_Alexandria
Nonetheless, within a few years after his death, Gregory of Nazianzus called
him the "Pillar of the Church". His writings were well regarded by all Church
fathers who followed, in both the West and the East, who noted their rich
devotion to the Word-become-man, great pastoral concern, and profound
interest in monasticism. Athanasius is counted as one of the four great
Eastern Doctors of the Church in the Roman Catholic Church.[3] In the Eastern
Orthodox Church, he is labeled as the "Father of Orthodoxy". Some Protestants
label him as "Father of the Canon". Athanasius is venerated as a Christian
saint, whose feast day is 2 May in Western Christianity, 15 May in the Coptic
Orthodox Church, and 18 January in the other Eastern Orthodox Churches. He is
venerated by the Oriental and Eastern Orthodox Churches, the Roman Catholic
Church, the Lutherans, and the Anglican Communion.
東正教認為亞他那修乃是“正統之父”。
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Gregory_of_Nyssa
Epektasis
Related to this is Gregory's idea of epektasis or constant progress. Platonic
philosophy said that stability is perfection and change is for the worse; in
contrast, Gregory described the ideal of human perfection as constant
progress in virtue and godliness. In Gregory’s theology, God himself has
always been perfect and has never changed, and never will. Humanity fell from
grace in the Garden of Eden, but rather than return to an unchanging state,
humanity's goal is to become more and more perfect, more like God, even
though humanity will never understand, much less attain, God's transcendence.
This idea has had a profound influence on the Eastern Orthodox teaching
regarding theosis or "divinization".
尼撒的貴格利是整個東正教系統【神化(theosis)】教義的源頭。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Damascus
A polymath whose fields of interest and contribution included law, theology,
philosophy, and music, he is said by some sources to have served as a Chief
Administrator to the Muslim caliph of Damascus before his ordination.[2][3]
He wrote works expounding the Christian faith, and composed hymns which are
still used both liturgically in Eastern Christian practice throughout the
world as well as in western Lutheranism at Easter.[4] He is one of the
Fathers of the Eastern Orthodox church and is best known for his strong
defense of icons.[5] The Catholic Church regards him as a Doctor of the
Church, often referred to as the Doctor of the Assumption due to his writings
on the Assumption of Mary.[6]
大馬士革的約翰寫了許多闡釋信仰的著作。他寫的詩歌仍然被東正教的禮儀所使用。他還
是捍衛圖像(icon)的人。(你們還能敬拜圖像,要謝謝他。)天主教封他為教會博士(
the Doctor of Church)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome
He is recognised as a Saint and Doctor of the Church by the Roman Catholic
Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Lutheran Church, and the Anglican
Communion.[6] His feast day is 30 September.
耶柔米同時被天主教,東正教,路德會,安立甘會封為聖人和教會博士。
我建議您不妨再問問您的神甫:【教會博士(Doctor of the Church)】的重要性,並他
們可能不可能是異端?

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