Re: [情報] 基督之必須成為人(肉身)

作者: df31 (DF-31)   2016-09-20 23:52:49
:我們頂禮聖像不敬拜
或許你不知道,在聖象破壞運動(Iconoclasm)中,反對派攻擊聖象的神學理由就是,基
督是神,不是被造之物,所以崇拜圖像(Icon)就是拜偶像之舉。大馬士革的聖約翰是這
樣說的:「上帝臨在於圖像中,正如他臨在聖晚餐中一樣。作表記的圖像是未見之事物的
真實代表。基督像如果沒有描繪出來,那他就不是真基督了」。他在捍衛圖像崇拜的行為
時說的這句話,背後使用的亞他那修的論點,就是猶太人敬拜耶和華的時候,不會因為聖
殿是被造之物就不朝著聖殿下拜;同樣的,我們敬拜主耶穌的時候,因為基督的神人二性
聯合於一個位格中,我們不可能因為避免敬拜被造之物而拋棄祂被造的肉身,所以我們是
連著祂被造的肉身一同敬拜。這種行為不能被稱之為拜偶像。不論是東正教的圖像崇拜,
或者天主教的雕像崇拜,都是用這個神學論點辯贏的。(估計你還是‘不知道’這個故事
。)
換句話說,若是基督沒有被造的人性,你們就不能進行圖像的崇拜;所以,否定基督具有
被造人性,就是否定你們圖像崇拜的合法性。(估計你也‘沒想過’這個問題。)
:而且不管人性還是神性都是永生而非受造的
請參考另一帖的資料。特別是特土良明確把否定基督人性被造定位諾斯底主義異端。而在
正統基督論中,你的觀點被稱之為【基督一性論】,是異端觀點。
:你指控我說天主教是異端是吧?
證據我都擺出來了。你不會【不敢】指控天主教吧?(我還在等著你指控一排教父呢1)
:先前在新教版上有看到你用強烈的文字去挑戰版上其他人
:甚至指謫別人說有精神問題而遭到水桶:
:現在九在跑來天主教版開地圖炮了事吧??
:我感覺我這個"召會叛叫者"的這個存在似乎激起你心裡那頭鯊魚了
呵呵,我到現在為止,不是以溫和+理性的態度與你對話,介紹【您自己的神學傳統】。
您不會因為自己【理虧】,而準備對我展開【人身攻擊】了吧?!
(那些召會叛教者不一樣.他們明明知道我們的情況,卻睜眼說瞎話.您的情況明顯的是,別說對召會,對正統基督教教義和所在的[大主教教區]的情況都不清楚.所以,我不會拿對他們的態度來對待你.當然,若是你自己惹事生非,死不認帳,睜眼說瞎話....那就另當別論了.:))
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* 最後,善意提醒:到目前為止,我已經提供了不下20筆資料來支持我的論點.
* 在同時,我尚未看見您引用任何材料來支持您的論點.
* 希望您在對我展開[人身攻擊]的時候,注意\這種不對等的情況.
* 還是善意提醒,貴[大主教區]若是如您所說,否定基督具有被造人性,肯定就是
* 異端無疑.對於一個著重傳統(這是東方基督教的特色)的教派而言,
* 是很難令人相信的現象.
* 我還是希望您回去好好找神甫談清楚,免得搞出坑殺了自己的教派和
* 所有正統神學+教父的情況.
* 善意提醒.我跟你無冤無仇的,沒必要害你,也沒必要整你.
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這是一份關於[基督一性論]的資料.請注意對於[敘利亞]的描述.
Monophysitism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Monophysitism , is the Christological position that, after the union of the
divine and the human in the historical Incarnation, Jesus Christ, as the
incarnation of the eternal Son or Word (Logos) of God, had only a single
"nature" which was either divine or a synthesis of divine and human.
Monophysitism is contrasted to dyophysitism (or dia-, dio-, or duophysitism)
which maintains that Christ maintained two natures, one divine and one human,
after the Incarnation.
Historically, [[Monophysitism (usually capitalized in this sense) refers
primarily to the position of those (especially in Egypt and to a lesser
extent Syria) who rejected the Council of Chalcedon (the fourth ecumenical
[worldwide] council), in 451.]] The moderate members of this group, however,
maintained a "Miaphysite" theology that became that of the Oriental Orthodox
churches. [[Many Oriental Orthodox reject the label "Monophysite" even as a
generic term, but it is extensively used in the historical literature.]]
After the Council of Chalcedon, the Monophysite controversy (together with
institutional, political, and growing nationalistic factors) led to a lasting
schism between the Oriental Orthodox churches, on the one hand, and the
Western and the Eastern Orthodox churches on the other. The Christological
conflict among monophysitism, dyophysitism, and their subtle combinations and
derivatives lasted from the third through the eighth centuries and left its
mark on all but the first two Ecumenical Councils. The vast majority of
Christians nowadays belong to the Chalcedonian churches. i.e. the Roman
Catholic, Maronite, Eastern Orthodox, and traditional Protestant churches
(those that accept at least the first four Ecumenical Councils); these
churches have always considered monophysitism to be heretical.
The miaphysite Oriental Orthodox Churches today include the Ethiopian
Orthodox Tewahedo Church, the Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church, the Coptic
Orthodox Church of Alexandria, the Armenian Apostolic Church, [[the Syriac
Orthodox Church]], and the Malankara Orthodox Church of India.
作者: Pietro (☞金肅πετροσ)   2016-09-21 01:09:00
文中提到的敘利亞一性論信徒乃指雅各黨基督徒今日的延續團體為敘利亞東方正統教會 與L所屬的安提阿牧首聖統正教會雖然都是源自於安提阿宗主教的傳承但是在迦克墩時就已經分開了而且一性論者是連人性的存續都予以否認的 而非認為人性存在 但是非受造 吧?

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